<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Thanks John...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Date: 6/18/17  5:16 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LONG conversation with Joe Walker on NATs, sequence proposals, and other NSRCA issues. </div><div><br></div></div>
    I can't find it on the AMA website either. I suspect it is in some
    specific AMA document on how the Nats are run.<br>
    As I recall from my time as treasurer, there is one CD for the
    Nats.  That's the whole Nats, not the Pattern Nats. Each
    sub-category such as RC Aerobatics, has an Event Director, who
    reports to the Contest Director.<br>
    Therefore in terms of Pattern, the Event Director is in charge of
    the "event" and is responsible to the CD, not the NSRCA board. This
    is Al Glenn. The NSRCA does, however, defray a small part of the
    costs incurred by the ED.  <br>
    The AMA docs I can find all refer to local/regional contests. The
    Nats is a separate animal as described above.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2017 3:52 PM, Larry Diamond via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please
            help me understand where the term ED comes from. Since I
            can’t find it on the AMA website, I assume that it must be
            an NSRCA term documented in our Procedures, By-Laws, or
            something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">AMA
                Sanction Application:</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
            Document 302, Revision 2.14.2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">AMA
            Definitions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">CD
                – Contest Director:</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
            For all rule book sanction events. Must be identified on the
            AMA Sanction Application. Cannot be changed by anyone other
            than by the AMA or through resignation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Event
                Manager:</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
            For all Non-Rule Book Sanctioned events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            AMA does not seem to identify an “Event Director” in the
            Sanction Application or on the AMA website. So where does it
            come from?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            AMA clearly states if you have an AMA rule-book event, you
            must have a CD, end of story. Nowhere on the Sanction
            Application is it stipulated for an ED. There are 15 times
            Director is in the form, all of which is the CD.  In
            reviewing the Sanction Application, there are no previsions
            for a Co-Contest Director.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Who
            completed and signed the Sanction Application? If it is Al
            Glenn, then he is legally bound to the Sanction and our AMA
            insurance coverage depends on it. If it somebody else, then
            they are. If the NSRCA wishes to appoint an Event Director,
            it is my opinion that it becomes a supporting role to the
            CD. The CD is overall responsible for the contest to the AMA
            exclusively and to adhere to all AMA regulations and rules.
            I believe if there is a conflict between the NSRCA and the
            AMA, the AMA documentation prevails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Any
            attempt to circumvent the AMA sanction by appointing
            somebody over a registered CD, becomes a disaster. I’m not
            an attorney and somebody who is should help clarify, as
            there becomes a risk of liability in the event of property
            damage or personal injury. Even a new out of school attorney
            wouldn’t have much of a problem with that case. At the top
            of the liability ring would be the NSRCA, and the AMA for
            allowing such a disaster to occur.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On
            another note, the NSCRA BoD either individually or
            collectively has disenfranchised at least two NSRCA members
            for doing the right thing. Both have served the NSRCA with
            Honor and dignity. To them, I personally apologize for the
            way the NSRCA has treated you this past few weeks. I thank
            you for your courage, humility, and dedication.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Joe
                Walker</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">,
            this is on you. You are our President and the leader of the
            BoD. From my point of view, taking a path of ignorance does
            show the reason for this fiasco, but more importantly <u>it
              does not show ownership of the situation at hand</u>. You
            accepted the role, you own it. Please take immediate
            control.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For
            me, the website chatter is noise. Has no relevance to the
            situation other than to deflect responsibility of the NSRCA
            Leadership. Doesn’t sit well with me. Most likely because of
            my Military background.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Personally,
            I believe in you as well as the others on the BoD. I believe
            you will right this ship (sorry, retired Navy guy here). You
            have zero time to get it done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regarding
            the NATs, The registered CD is in charge and we [NSRCA] must
            let the CD take control. It may be better to use the same
            contest format as last year as we are out of time to
            implement changes without disenfranchising members who
            either will or are planning to attend.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sorry
            for the rant, but it is my .02<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best
              Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry
              Diamond</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                NSRCA-discussion
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Joe Walker via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:08 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Frackowiak Tony
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net"><frackowiak@sbcglobal.net></a>; General pattern
                discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> John Gayer
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:west.engineering@comcast.net"><west.engineering@comcast.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LONG conversation
                with Joe Walker on NATs, sequence proposals, and other
                NSRCA issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Good afternoon all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the points being brought up
            and will certainly work hard to ensure that all guidelines
            and requirements are met.  I must admit, it’s been difficult
            searching for information myself, let alone folks who are
            seeking guidance that are not directly involved in making
            decisions that affect all of us.  This fact alone has been a
            core driver in my decision to become involved in the
            organization in more direct way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Now, that said, we need to find a path
            forward that works for the organization as a whole, and of
            course the entirety of the membership.  There are
            innumerable points that we can all get mired in, debate and
            get irritated about, but my primary interest is gathering
            all legacy information, previous comments, new input, etc.,
            and match the task of clearly documenting and organizing
            that information into a useful, and user friendly format.
             This serves not only my personal needs to know where to
            look, but also serves the membership by having all
            information and resources at our fingertips.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">This effort has started with an overhaul
            of the website.  Through no individual’s actions, the
            previous life of the website became a repository of bits and
            pieces of these resources, rather than a lean and clear
            source of information.  Many of these resources are quite
            useful and had been meticulously created by NSRCA members
            over the years.  Unfortunately, some of documents conflict
            each other and some are silent on issues that need direction
            or clarity.  Some procedural requirements are missing all
            together.  Derek Koopowitz has generously donated countless
            hours of his personal time and financial resources to
            develop and maintain the web presence.  His efforts should
            be commended!  Peter Vogel has spent just as much time
            developing and refining content for the website.  What we
            really need now is a few folks with an eye for detail and
            are tuned in to procedures and rules to assist in vetting
            the information that we have posted and help create a more
            comprehensive resource that has reliable information and
            links to other regulatory agencies that affect our
            procedures.  This is a giant task that would go to serve us
            all well in the end.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">You may ask why I am talking about the
            website in relation to the sequences or the format of the
            Nats topics du jour.  Well, it’s all related at the core of
            the issues at hand, information.  Many of the points that
            have been brought up in these discussion forums are
            completely reasonable points.  We need to get to a place
            where we are able to distance the points that are being made
            from the distracting emotions.  For those that have read my
            articles in the K-Factor, this theme has been clear and
            consistent.  I’ve also directly reached out and asked for
            folks to email me personally (via the K-Factor articles)
            with any legacy information that they feel is missing from
            the site or the decisions they see that are being made.  We
            have an opportunity to make course corrections pretty easily
            in most cases to adjust the path of a project, task, or
            procedure, but this requires assistance from the entire
            membership.  It especially requires the long term members
            who have served in these previous capacities to contribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I am always seeking passionate volunteers
            to devote their skills and energy towards making the
            processes better. I commit to keeping the NSRCA on a forward
            trajectory by doing my best to ensure that decisions are
            followed through with and tasks are completed.  Clearly
            things will be missed, and I’m certainly not claiming
            perfection.  I am seeking assistance though.  Are you
            willing to contribute to a solution to help keep the NSRCA
            organized, accessible and responsive to the needs and
            desires of the membership?  If so, please reach out to me
            directly and I’m happy to work together to forge a plan that
            benefits all of us.  I appreciate the extra effort that Jon
            Lowe made to speak with me directly and help turn a
            situation he was unhappy about into a productive strategy to
            make it better.  I’m available (mostly…), and I invite folks
            to give me a ring.  Let’s talk it out and develop a solution
            together.  “The Board” is not a secret society of folks
            looking to destroy what we have, it’s a group of folks who
            have volunteered their personal time to help make our
            weekend fun with toy airplanes more enjoyable by alleviating
            the general membership of daunting task of organization.
             Please reach out to your DVP’s and help them communicate
            concerns and ideas that can be formally presented to the
            Board for discussion and approval.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Joe Walker,<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">NSRCA President<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:47 PM,
                  Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">+1. Thank you John. Just as a
                    side note. I was on the Sequence Committee for the
                    previous 2 cycles. I was not informed in any way
                    that I would not still be on the Sequence Committee.
                    I was also very surprised that the BOD appointed a
                    Chairperson who had never participated in the
                    process before. In the past, I believe, the Chair
                    always came from the existing Committee.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:21
                          AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jon,<br>
                            <br>
                            Relative to the scheduling of the new
                            sequences, there is a document that
                            addresses the timeline for the sequence
                            committee. This document is not on the
                            website, at least not in the logical place
                            under sequence development. Here is the
                            section about the schedule. This document
                            was generated in 2012 to separate the
                            functions of the committee from the sequence
                            development guide which gets some updates
                            every cycle.<br>
                            <br>
                            <span style="color:#000066">4 Suggested
                              Sequence Submittal Process<br>
                              The following is the recommended timeline
                              for the development and submission of new
                              sequences. Sequence<br>
                              development should always start in two
                              years prior to when the sequence is to be
                              replaced. For example, if the<br>
                              Masters sequence (2 year lifecycle) is to
                              be replaced in 2015 (X) then work on the
                              development of a new<br>
                              sequence should start in 2013 (X – 2).
                              What follows is a timeline showing the
                              activity (task) and the month the<br>
                              activity should start:<br>
                              TASK TIMELINE<br>
                              Assign and approve Committee Chairperson
                              October - year X – 2<br>
                              Committee Chairperson recruits Committee
                              Membership October – year X - 2<br>
                              BoD approves Committee Membership November
                              – year X - 2<br>
                              Establish development schedule December –
                              year X - 2<br>
                              Review design criteria/receive BoD
                              approval for changes December – year X - 2<br>
                              Develop preliminary changes/sequences and
                              flight test January through March – year X
                              - 1<br>
                              Publish for public comment on NSRCA
                              website/K-Factor April through May – year
                              X - 1<br>
                              Finalize changes/sequence selection based
                              on comments June through August – year X -
                              1<br>
                              Submit proposed changes/sequences to BoD
                              for approval October– year X - 1<br>
                              Publish approved sequences on NSRCA
                              website/K-Factor November – year X -1<br>
                              New sequences in use January – year X<br>
                              <br>
                            </span><span style="color:#3366FF">There is
                              no question about the requirement for
                              publishing the proposed sequences. It was
                              supposed to happen the beginning of April.
                              From your email it appears that neither
                              you or Joe were aware of  the publication
                              requirement or the dates involved. I know
                              you addressed the lack of continuity
                              between boards in your ppost but I believe
                              the Committee had this document and should
                              have shared it with the board. Certainly
                              all past Committee members had a copy.<br>
                              <br>
                              There is another section in this document
                              that addresses the makeup of the committee
                              and the oversight function of the board.<br>
                              <br>
                              2.3 Membership<br>
                              There should be at least six Committee
                              members excluding the Chairperson and
                              should, if possible, contain at<br>
                              least one member who is currently
                              competing in each of the AMA classes.
                              There should be representation from<br>
                              as many NSRCA districts as possible on the
                              committee. Non pilots and non NSRCA
                              members may be<br>
                              committee members, provided that their
                              qualifications meet the approval of the
                              Chairperson and the BoD. The<br>
                              Committee shall contain at least one
                              current member of the BoD. All members of
                              the Committee are voting<br>
                              members.<br>
                              <br>
                              2.5.1 Standard Committee Procedures<br>
                              • The NSRCA President shall be the primary
                              point of contact for communications
                              between the<br>
                              Committee Chairperson and the Board on all
                              matters of directive nature, and for
                              deliverables from<br>
                              the Committee.<br>
                              • The Chairperson will select members for
                              his/her committee and propose a team to
                              the BoD.<br>
                              • The BoD will review the Committee for
                              national (District) balance and
                              representation across<br>
                              Intermediate through Masters Classes and,
                              if necessary, provide recommendations on
                              the<br>
                              Committee members to the Chairperson. The
                              BoD will then vote to accept or reject the
                              proposed<br>
                              Committee members.<br>
                              • The Chairperson and Committee members
                              agree to work as a team and reach a
                              consensus on the<br>
                              Committee’s proposals. They agree to
                              support the Committee’s proposal and not
                              submit separate<br>
                              proposals on these sequences to the BoD.<br>
                              • The Committee shall perform their tasks
                              within the schedule of milestones as
                              defined by the BoD.<br>
                              • The Committee will produce proposed
                              changes to sequences based on input from
                              the membership<br>
                              and their experience. The sequences will
                              be published in the K Factor and on the
                              NSRCA website<br>
                              for review.<br>
                              • The Committee will coordinate with the
                              Rules/Judging Committee Chairperson to
                              produce the<br>
                              final proposals, with supporting
                              rationale, to be approved by the BoD.<br>
                              • Sequences for Sportsman, Intermediate,
                              Advanced and Masters Class will be
                              developed for<br>
                              presentation to and review by the
                              precision aerobatics community on the
                              NSRCA website. New<br>
                              sequences may not necessarily be presented
                              for all classes.<br>
                              <br>
                              I have cherry-picked the pertinent
                              sections from the document but have also
                              attached the complete document.  It's
                              pretty clear that the directives contained
                              here were not followed. The current
                              committee makeup does not conform to the
                              document in terms of consensus, 
                              geographical distribution, number of
                              members or the requirement for a current
                              board member.<br>
                              <br>
                              On another subject, It is my understanding
                              from when I was on the board that the
                              NSRCA board proposes the ED to the AMA.
                              Once that is done, the ED responsibility 
                              is to the AMA not the NSRCA. At that
                              point, the NSRCA no longer has any
                              authority over the ED. If that is still
                              the case, how is the <i>board</i>
                              creating Co-EDs or changing the ED? And
                              directing change to the finals from the
                              originally published setup when this is
                              solely up to the ED? It is very late to be
                              running surveys and reevaluating
                              procedures with the start barely a month
                              away. Even the survey itself seems to be
                              problematic. I've attended four of the
                              last six Nats, year before last in Masters
                              but didn't qualify for the survey? <br>
                              <br>
                              Also we are finding out that the F3A
                              finals have been changed back to the
                              normal format. We find this out because
                              Jon had a long conversation with Joe and
                              posted on the list? I can't find anything
                              on the website about the Co-CD change, the
                              survey, the change to the F3A final or
                              what's going on with the sequence
                              committee, committee members or committee
                              members that have resigned and been
                              replaced. The Masters finals sequence that
                              was developed without establishing any
                              sequence guidelines( at least not that
                              were  published) or buyin from the board
                              is a case in point of the lack of
                              transparency of the current committee.<br>
                              <br>
                              John Gayer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/18/2017 6:25 AM,
                              Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joe
                              and I had a LONG conversation Saturday
                              about the NATS, sequences, and NSRCA in
                              general.  This email is what I heard based
                              on that conversation and he knows I'm
                              writing this. I've known Joe for a number
                              of years, and we are good friends, so we
                              had a very frank discussion. I don't think
                              I swallowed any koolade, but you be the
                              judge.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">First
                              though, I am as guilty as anyone in
                              reacting to stuff on this discussion list,
                              without picking up the phone or calling
                              people directly. No excuse, but modern
                              media at work. I should know, as a past
                              president of NSRCA, how hard it can be to
                              get to ground truth sometimes, and to make
                              sure accurate info is distributed. For
                              that, I apologize.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One
                              thing I didn't realize, was that until
                              yesterday, Joe was not on this discussion
                              list. He's primarily used the NSRCA
                              Facebook page. He's catching up now with
                              all of the discussions here over the past
                              couple of weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You've
                              probably seen by now the letter on Mike
                              Harrison and Al Glenn being co-EDs for the
                              NATS. Joe realizes that decision and
                              clarification had not been made either to
                              them, the NSRCA BoD, or the membership,
                              and it wasn't documented on the NSRCA
                              website. Joe and the BoD are working on
                              remedies to make sure oversights like that
                              don't happen again. The BoD meeting was a
                              couple of nights ago, and it was clarified
                              then, and put out to the membership.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                              changes to the format of the NATS was also
                              discussed. The final format is the EDs
                              call, as long as it is by the rule book.
                              But as I reminded Joe, the finals for
                              Masters was eliminated a couple of years
                              ago to great hue and cry when it was
                              unnecessary to use the matrix system, and
                              was reinstated the following year. So
                              tread carefully. He pointed out that this
                              year's NATS is trying something that
                              hasn't been done in years, and that some
                              changes happen as a result. This should
                              have been better communicated to the
                              membership. The survey that went out
                              yesterday was to affected entrants to last
                              year's and this year's NATS.  However, if
                              the changes to the finals are affecting
                              your decision on whether or not to enter
                              the NATS, I urge you to contact Joe. His
                              email and phone number are in the back of
                              any KFactor. He did say that so far the
                              survey is about 80% for the shortened
                              Masters finals. I don't know though how
                              many responses he's received.
                              Incidentally, FAI has reverted to a 2-F,
                              2- unknown finals format, according to
                              Joe.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">He
                              realizes that NSRCA and the membership is
                              in a time crunch for vetting and getting
                              approval for the new AMA sequences for
                              next year. The BoD first saw them a few
                              hours before we did, and it became clear
                              during the BoD meeting that they needed a
                              separate meeting to discuss and vet them.
                              Significant discussion centered around the
                              proposal for a Master's class finals. That
                              isn't contemplated in the Sequence guide,
                              and there hasn't been any decision on
                              putting that before the membership or
                              not.  According to Joe, neither he, nor
                              other  members of the BoD knew that a
                              finals sequence would be proposed, total
                              surprise. Obviously, to get feedback to
                              make necessary changes, get approval from
                              the membership, final approval by the BoD
                              and to publish all of the new sequences by
                              years end is going to be tough. Joe
                              clearly understands that challenge.  In
                              addition, he said he recalls no discussion
                              one way or the other during the BoD
                              meeting about distributing what they got
                              from the sequence committee to the general
                              membership. I told him I felt that the
                              sooner they get feedback the better, and
                              he agreed. Constructive feedback to Joe or
                              your District VP is encouraged. I know
                              there have been some personal issues that
                              resulted from the distribution of the
                              sequences, and Joe and others are working
                              to correct those problems. I hope they can
                              be resolved also. Those involved will know
                              what I'm talking about.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It
                              still is not clear to me, and I think Joe,
                              why the sequences we're developed in such
                              secrecy.  This definitely didn't help the
                              current controversy. I told Joe that
                              drafts should have been out months ago for
                              comment. He agreed that this needs to be
                              the process going forward, and the
                              procedure guide for developing the
                              sequences may need clarification for
                              timelines and transparency.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One
                              of the things I faced, and Joe is facing,
                              is loss of corporate knowledge anytime
                              there is new leadership in charge. This is
                              especially true of volunteer organizations
                              with no central office. I have some things
                              I think can help, and I will make sure Joe
                              gets them. If you have old files or other
                              information you think might benefit him or
                              the BoD, please contact him.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              emphasized to Joe the need for fast
                              communication on hot topics, even to say
                              they're working on it, and will get back
                              to us. He gets it, and I think being on
                              this list he will get and can react to the
                              hot issues of the moment.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do
                              I agree with everything Joe said and the
                              BoDs actions? Of course not; I'd be
                              surprised if I did. Pattern fliers are, if
                              nothing else, opinionated SOB's. Can they
                              do better, especially with communication?
                              Surely, and I think Joe gets that. And I'm
                              going to try to improve my communication
                              with Joe and my DVP, Larry Kauffman,
                              before I express displeasure here.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jon<o:p></o:p></p>
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