<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Larry,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I appreciate your opinion here: “<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">I</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">MHO… It is a fallacy to state that, “because the tail displays a conical rotation, it must be that the heading did break from the flight path”.</span></div><div class="">But I don’t understand. How can the tail get into a conical rotation about the CG unless there was a pitch break? </div><div class="">Thanks in advance,</div><div class="">Jeff</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Earl,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Yes I have read your article a few times. I believe it supports what is in the rule book and that a pattern plane can actually perform a snap.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">My concern is more related to how are we actually judging, I don’t think we are locked into judging the snap at contests the way it is intended because of pushback when, in my opinion, it is scored based on the presentation… a low or zero score.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">One can easily argue that if the tail displays a conical rotation, therefore the nose must have displayed a conical rotation. This is clearly a fact. Except a fast barrel roll the tail and the nose are on the same plain in reference to CG, thus “No Stall” condition. It is just that, a fast barrel roll. If you are only looking at the CG and not aware of the Nose/Tail orientation, you would deduct “5” because the CG barrel rolled around the flight path. However, the correct application to the rule is a zero, because there was no clear break in heading and the nose/tail is on the same plain in relation to CG.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">IMHO… It is a fallacy to state that, “because the tail displays a conical rotation, it must be that the heading did break from the flight path”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">What am I missing?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Best Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Larry Diamond</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Earl Haury via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:57 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mups53 <<a href="mailto:mups53@gmail.com" class="">mups53@gmail.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging the Snap<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Larry, take a look at this:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.ckaero.net/blog/2014/11/23/anatomy-of-a-snap-roll/" title="http://www.ckaero.net/blog/2014/11/23/anatomy-of-a-snap-roll/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">http://www.ckaero.net/blog/2014/11/23/anatomy-of-a-snap-roll/</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Earl<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mups53 via NSRCA-discussion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, March 25, 2017 1:53 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Larry Diamond ; General pattern discussion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging the Snap<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Good post. Thanks Larry<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);" class="">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-------- Original message --------<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Date: 3/24/17 8:25 PM (GMT-06:00)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To: General pattern discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging the Snap<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Since getting back into Pattern and based on last year’s observations at a couple of contests, it seems to me that through evolution it has changed a little over the last 10 years with the Snap Roll downgrades (as it is flown and judged not by the rule book).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Yes, I took the AMA judging test. However, being a lowly Intermediate since 2004… I do not want be in a position where I scored a maneuver low/zero because I didn’t understand what it’s supposed to look like in the air today.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Also after a couple of discussion with people in different districts there are differing opinions about what a Snap is and isn’t; and, when an Intermediate/Advanced pilot should or shouldn’t score a zero to higher skill level pilots.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Set aside the rule book, as I think it is very clear… I’m asking what is being applied in the actual Judging of contests today. I keep hearing about a little relief because a Pattern Planes can’t actually Snap (stall) properly.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">The Snap is a fast rotation, which is very difficult to see every downgrade.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><u class="">What visual cue</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>should we look for when a very shallow break may/may not be present, but to the eye it looks like a rapid barrel roll.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">At what point does the Snap maneuver earn a zero?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Let’s be honest with ourselves as to what is actually being practiced (judged)… With the underlined verbiage, are we zeroing the maneuver; or, simply downgrading to prevent conflict because a zero was scored.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">The Rule from 2016-2017</span></b><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">Snaps: A snap roll is a rapid rotation where the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">fuselage nose makes a detectable break in heading</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>from its track in pitch and yaw for the duration of the roll but the track follows the line of the maneuver (straight or arced):</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">1. Large deviations from the flight path, indicative of a delayed stall, are to be downgraded using the 1 point per 15-degree rule for each axis of the excursion. For example, it the model pitches its track 15 degrees nose up and the wings rotate 15 degrees before the yaw is applied, the maneuver should be downgraded 1 point for pitch and 1 point for roll.</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">2. The track visualized as the path of the center of gravity (CG) should closely follow the geometric flight path of the maneuver<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">while the nose and tail rotate through opposite helical arcs around the flight path. Lack of these helical arcs (or coning)</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is indicative of an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">axial roll and is scored zero</u>.</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">3. If the track corkscrews or barrel rolls, it is severely downgraded (more than 5 points).</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">4. Snap rolls have the same judging criteria as axial rolls as far as start and stop of rotation, constant flight path through the maneuver and centering on lines.</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">5. If the heading does not remain deviated for the entire roll it is downgraded 1 point per 15 degrees.</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="" class="">6. Airspeed is not a criterion which should be used to judge this maneuver. The wing of the model is stalled during this maneuver; therefore a significant decrease in speed may occur and is not a cause for downgrade.</span></i><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Larry Diamond<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">P.S. I am hoping this will be an above board and honest discussion. 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