<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Good post. Thanks Larry</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Date: 3/24/17 8:25 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging the Snap </div><div><br></div></div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Since getting back into Pattern and based on last year’s observations at a couple of contests, it seems to me that through evolution it has changed a little over the last 10 years with the Snap Roll downgrades (as it is flown and judged not by the rule book).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Yes, I took the AMA judging test. However, being a lowly Intermediate since 2004… I do not want be in a position where I scored a maneuver low/zero because I didn’t understand what it’s supposed to look like in the air today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also after a couple of discussion with people in different districts there are differing opinions about what a Snap is and isn’t; and, when an Intermediate/Advanced pilot should or shouldn’t score a zero to higher skill level pilots.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Set aside the rule book, as I think it is very clear… I’m asking what is being applied in the actual Judging of contests today. I keep hearing about a little relief because a Pattern Planes can’t actually Snap (stall) properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Snap is a fast rotation, which is very difficult to see every downgrade. <b><u>What visual cue</u></b> should we look for when a very shallow break may/may not be present, but to the eye it looks like a rapid barrel roll.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">At what point does the Snap maneuver earn a zero?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Let’s be honest with ourselves as to what is actually being practiced (judged)… With the underlined verbiage, are we zeroing the maneuver; or, simply downgrading to prevent conflict because a zero was scored.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Rule from 2016-2017<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Snaps: A snap roll is a rapid rotation where the <u>fuselage nose makes a detectable break in heading</u> from its track in pitch and yaw for the duration of the roll but the track follows the line of the maneuver (straight or arced):<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1. Large deviations from the flight path, indicative of a delayed stall, are to be downgraded using the 1 point per 15-degree rule for each axis of the excursion. For example, it the model pitches its track 15 degrees nose up and the wings rotate 15 degrees before the yaw is applied, the maneuver should be downgraded 1 point for pitch and 1 point for roll.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2. The track visualized as the path of the center of gravity (CG) should closely follow the geometric flight path of the maneuver <u>while the nose and tail rotate through opposite helical arcs around the flight path. Lack of these helical arcs (or coning)</u> is indicative of an <u>axial roll and is scored zero</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">3. If the track corkscrews or barrel rolls, it is severely downgraded (more than 5 points).<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4. Snap rolls have the same judging criteria as axial rolls as far as start and stop of rotation, constant flight path through the maneuver and centering on lines.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">5. If the heading does not remain deviated for the entire roll it is downgraded 1 point per 15 degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">6. Airspeed is not a criterion which should be used to judge this maneuver. The wing of the model is stalled during this maneuver; therefore a significant decrease in speed may occur and is not a cause for downgrade.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">P.S. I am hoping this will be an above board and honest discussion. I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing here.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>