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    Well thought out discussion. Thanks Larry.<br>
    <br>
    As has already been pointed out, the FAI 5kg rules defines how our
    pattern models are designed. If we change the AMA rules to go along
    with common practice at local and regional contest, it will have
    zero impact on the pattern models commonly available to us. On the
    other hand, if the FAI changes/eliminates the 5Kg rule and we don't
    follow, very soon we will have no legal pattern models available.
    Not likely to happen. I'm just pointing out who is in charge here.<br>
    <br>
    It's been fairly well established that there is no advantage in
    flying a heavy model so what does an AMA weight rule accomplish?
    Locally absolutely nothing since no one has ever checked weights at
    a local contest with the intent of disqualifying overweight models.
    At the Nats, who knows. Most of the overweight models never showed
    up. I have checked model weights at a local contest. As I recall,
    about half were over 5Kg. All were recognized pattern models.<br>
    <br>
    There is also a whole class of sport scale models in the 75-78 inch
    span area costing about $350 into which you can put a DLE 30cc for
    about $300 and operate much cheaper than four stroke or battery.
    Many of these can be set up for less than it cost to put an Osiris
    in the air and can be made to fly very well. Unlikely that you will
    stay under 5Kg, however. Part of what we should be looking for is a
    way to improve participation and lower costs. Including this class
    of models as legal might help.<br>
    <br>
    There are two types of participants. One shows up at a contest to
    win and the other shows up to participate. Of course there is some
    overlap there. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span>
    The contestant looking to win shows up with a current design and it
    will weigh less than 5Kg regardless of weight rules. The second
    might be interested in reducing participation costs and doesn't care
    about the weight rule either as long as his model is acceptable to
    the CD.<br>
    <br>
    Other countries recognize the distinction between the FAI
    requirements of 5Kg and the weight limits for their national
    classes. The French have a limit of 5.5Kg + 1% which I believe is
    only checked at their Nats. Why shouldn't we do something about the
    weight rule for AMA classes? I don't see the French designing planes
    around 5.5Kg.<br>
    <br>
    I firmly believe we could abolish or diminish the impact of the AMA
    weight rule without any negative impact on model design and it might
    do some good in legalizing some hand me down models and increase the
    variety of legal models .<br>
    <br>
    John Gayer<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/2017 10:40 AM, Larry Diamond
      via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
            personally have never attended the NATS. I hope to in the
            future. With that said, my point of view from a competitor
            stand point:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
            have rules and these rules apply to all those that compete
            in any sport or event. If you are traveling to a National
            Event and you know they will be checking and you don’t take
            the initiative to ensure you comply with the rules, you
            deserve to be sent home or you can get your equipment to
            comply with the rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Why
            do I have this view? If at least one who is present for the
            National Event, spent time and money to make certain their
            equipment is within the rules, any relief to any other
            participant grossly disenfranchises the effort of those that
            comply. This is why we have rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For
            Instance, another SIG such as IMAC. A plane must represent a
            full scale aerobatic aircraft that has either competed or
            was designed to compete in full scale aerobatics. For me,
            this is a much more silly rule as often the application of
            the rule could be influenced by subjectivity. One could
            argue that the wing span dictates the other features.
            However, if your IMAC aircraft is deemed to not be
            compliant, will they let you compete for a National
            Championship? I think you would get sent home or need to
            find an aircraft that is compliant, and I would agree with
            that as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Now
            with the weight issue. We have struggled with this issue
            since I have been an NSRCA member from 2003. This is has
            been tabled evidently from the beginning of Pattern. If the
            rules are changed to whatever, then they are the rules and
            binding at a National Event. Comply or be sent home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
            are other SIGS which do not have weight or size limits. We
            are free to participate in them as well. However, here we
            are talking about Pattern. Changing a rule will not be the
            reason Pattern will grow or decline. Interestingly enough,
            these debates may contribute to the elitist stigma and
            influence the reason for decline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Again
            I will state, we (Pattern) exist because of a purpose and a
            <u>culture</u>. Changing the rule simply because people
            don’t like it will result in an evolutional change of
            Pattern (Good or Bad). You may agree or disagree, but I
            would ask to look at the history as outlined in another post
            which shows the facts of this result.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Interestingly
            enough, those that fly pattern control the market of design
            and cost (including robustness of LG). If you are buying
            inferior products which can’t make weight, then you are part
            of the weight problem not the NSRCA and/or rules. Designers
            and companies will build what sells. Pattern is a Pull
            market, not a push market unless we allow/accept it as
            consumers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
            we are to propose a rule change, we must understand the
            potential outcomes (good or bad). The decision must be based
            on the Vision of Pattern, Principles, and ultimately our
            culture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My
            .02, I could be wrong…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best
              Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry
              Diamond</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                NSRCA-discussion
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Randy Forbus via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:30 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Larry and Eileen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fitch5@frontier.com"><fitch5@frontier.com></a>;
                'General pattern discussion'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal
                Cycle?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm
              sure its happed before<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                  Larry and Eileen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:fitch5@frontier.com">fitch5@frontier.com</a>><br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:28 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'Randy Forbus'; 'General pattern
                  discussion'<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal
                  Cycle?</span><span
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                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
                    50grams sends a person home, I think you have a
                    silly rule. Just saying….</span><span
                    style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></a><span
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                    <p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                        NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randy Forbus via
                        NSRCA-discussion<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:20 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Dr. Mike Harrison <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>>;
                        General pattern discussion <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
                        Proposal Cycle?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> I
                      think the point is , if a person drives 20 hours
                      to the Nats , and then gets turned away because he
                      is 50 grams overweight, that person wont be going
                      to the Nats anymore, everyone knows the rules, but
                      you can do everything right and still be over
                      weight.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                          NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                          on behalf of Dr. Mike Harrison via
                          NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:27
                          PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> 'John Fuqua'; 'General pattern
                          discussion'<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
                          Proposal Cycle?</span><span
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                        </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What
                            I take away from here is that there are very
                            good points by all.  </span><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                                NSRCA-discussion [<a
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Fuqua via
                                NSRCA-discussion<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017
                                8:26 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
                                Rules Proposal Cycle?</span><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Agree
                            totally.   Weight is a false flag for
                            Masters and FAI.    It made some sense to
                            raise the weight for the lower classes as
                            they often fly pass down previously owned
                            planes which tend to grow in weight as they
                            are passed around.</span><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My
                            fear has always been the law of unintended
                            consequences when a radical change is made
                            without fully appreciating the ingenuity of
                            the pattern people.  </span><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                                NSRCA-discussion [<a
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Lockhart via
                                NSRCA-discussion<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017
                                7:45 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
                                Rules Proposal Cycle?</span><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">IF
                            all other things are equal, heavier does not
                            fly better.  The “IF” is rarely (if ever)
                            considered by proponents of raising the
                            weight limit.</span><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">IF
                            the added weight is used to increase power,
                            size, or performance, it is an advantage
                            that will raise the performance (and cost)
                            and nothing changes except the cost has
                            increased for everyone.  The reason so many
                            planes are close to the limits is because
                            they have been designed for the greatest
                            performance available within the limits, by
                            pushing right up to the limits.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Most
                            airplane designers have recommended
                            equipment to complete the plane at or below
                            the weight limit.  The electric “pigs” that
                            won’t make the weight limit are ALL the
                            modern day large 2M planes when equipped
                            with the heaviest motor, heaviest motor
                            batteries, heaviest RX/servo power supply
                            (dual redundant everything with 10 amp
                            magnetic switches), heaviest servos,
                            heaviest linkages, heaviest wheels, plethora
                            of telemetry sensors, etc.  Any airplane can
                            be made overweight.  If someone has the
                            opinion it is ok to be less competitive for
                            being overweight, being less competitive
                            with a smaller plane that does make weight
                            is pretty much the same scenario (but is
                            legal to the letter of the rules).</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
                            don’t think we get a lot of new people
                            flying pattern at the NATs…which…in practice
                            is the only contest where weight is
                            checked.  In the northeast US, any number of
                            contests have advertised waivers of the
                            weight limit, and in ~20 years, there have
                            been very few overweight entrants, and I
                            can’t think of any pattern converts as a
                            result of waiving the weight limit.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dave</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                                NSRCA-discussion [<a
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Oscar via
                                NSRCA-discussion<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017
                                9:27 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Patternpilot One <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:patternpilot1@hotmail.com">patternpilot1@hotmail.com</a>>;
                                General pattern discussion <<a
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                                  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
                                Rules Proposal Cycle?</span><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p><span
                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                              Symbol",sans-serif;color:black">😀😀😀</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p><span
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                              On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Patternpilot
                              One via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                  see the potential for more people to
                                  fly pattern without the weight limit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Sa.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
                                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p><span
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                                <p><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#364F67">Sent
                                    from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <br>
                                -------- Original message --------<br>
                                From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion
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                                <br>
                                Date: 1/25/17 5:34 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
                                To: Whodaddy Whodaddy <<a
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                                  href="mailto:whodaddy10@gmail.com">whodaddy10@gmail.com</a>>,
                                General pattern discussion <<a
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                                  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                                <br>
                                Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
                                Proposal Cycle? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hmmmm.
                                    No weight limit...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                    see a new market for a full 2M wing
                                    span on bi-planes sporting a
                                    YS-300DZ twin on the horizon... vbg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#575757">Sent
                                      via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an
                                      AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">--------
                                      Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                                      Whodaddy Whodaddy via
                                      NSRCA-discussion <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Date:
                                      1/25/17 4:20 PM (GMT-06:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">To:
                                      Jas S <<a
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                                        href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>>,
                                      General pattern discussion <<a
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                                        href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:
                                      Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
                                      Proposal Cycle? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Not
                                    a fan of rule change for weight ..
                                    Cost is an obsolete argument blah
                                    blah blah ... Im well under with no
                                    extravagant $$$ or measures ... If
                                    manufacturers are building heavy
                                    components for their planes  and
                                    that plane is overweight then dont
                                    buy the dang thing .. There is
                                    enough information as to the dews
                                    and donts to get planes under weight
                                    and wat planes leave the factory as
                                    over weight pigs... .. I you dont
                                    pay attention its ur fault u fly a
                                    pig ... Dont change the rules cause
                                    u refuse to pay attention ... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Nuff
                                    said<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">G<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p><span
                                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
                                    On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Jas S
                                    via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p><span
                                        style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">There
                                        is one. The pilot with an 'over
                                        weight' can now compete at the
                                        Nats<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Jas iP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p><span
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                                        On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:20 PM,
                                        Ronald Van Putte via
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                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Come
                                          on now!  How can hobby shops
                                          make some $$$ on a customer
                                          who needs to “buy some
                                          lightness” if the weight limit
                                          is thrown in the trash? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                            hope that all readers
                                            realize that my tongue was
                                            firmly in my cheek when I
                                            posted the above.  There is
                                            no advantage in R/C
                                            aerobatic competition for a
                                            pilot to fly a heavy
                                            airplane.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p><span
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                                            Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  Jan 25, 2017, at 10:58
                                                  AM, Keith Hoard via
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                                                  <p><span
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                                                      think its time to
                                                      throw the weight
                                                      limit in the
                                                      trash.  There is
                                                      nothing keeping
                                                      anyone from
                                                      voluntarily
                                                      spending half of a
                                                      paycheck to drop a
                                                      few grams.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          Behalf Of </b>blotch44026---
                                                          via
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                                                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
                                                          January 25,
                                                          2017 10:56<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> Joe
                                                          Lachowski <<a
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                                                          <b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal Cycle?</span><span
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                                                      <p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original
                                                          Message----- <br>
                                                          From: Joe
                                                          Lachowski via
NSRCA-discussion <br>
                                                          Sent: Jan 24,
                                                          2017 5:04 PM <br>
                                                          To: General
                                                          pattern
                                                          discussion <br>
                                                          Subject:
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                                                          Rules Proposal
                                                          Cycle? </span><span
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                                                      <p><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Does
                                                          anyone know
                                                          when the next
                                                          rules proposal
                                                          cycle begins?</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      <p><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                                          think it is
                                                          time to
                                                          stretch the
                                                          weight limit
                                                          to at least 4
                                                          ozs over 11
                                                          lbs. for
                                                          electrics in
                                                          ALL the AMA
                                                          classes. Tired
                                                          of paying the
                                                          proverbial 
                                                          $100 and ounce
                                                          to get there.
                                                          Glow setups
                                                          have an
                                                          advantage. No
                                                          doubt in my
                                                          mind.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      <p><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Flame
                                                          on.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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