<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Wats wrong with choosing within the rules...</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">G<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What's wrong with letting the pilot make the choices? There is no choice to fly a less competitive heavier setup with his 2 M plane except to spend more money if he wants to comply with the rules. What's not fair with letting the pilot make the decision?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Lachowski; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal Cycle?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Wat u dont get joe.....is lets say a set up that uses lots of batt power at the choice of the pilot and provides an advantage in flight and cost almost double to conventional motor set up .... It weighs more .. So he has to use lighter lower mah batts to make weight .. He has trouble completing the flight in higher than average wind ( nats wind) ... Ur thinking allows this guy to fly heavier batts (more mah) complete his flight .. Because the weight limit has been raised .... Not really fair now to the guy who can't or choses not to afford higher $$ motor set up.... <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Not trying to degrade ur thinking joe i jus think the issue has broad ramifications <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Gary<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Maybe he can update it to include Masters instead of having to submit another proposal. Plane size will always be dictated by FAI. So I see no reason to restrict the AMA classes to the weight rule. I guarantee you most people flying AMA classes will have their planes within a half a pound of the current limit anyway. Lets face it our planes are eggshells the way it is and if I could I would beef up areas like the landing gear structure. I can't count how many people in the AMA classes have ripped out landing gear at a local contest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>As far as Sportsman goes I am a believer of fly anything you got or at least leave it to being at the Contest Directors discretion provided the requirements are spelled out in the Sanctioning documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If anything FAI has made it more costly with the absurd maneuvers required to be flown which drives the complexity, shape and size of the airframes upwards along with the cost.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></span></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of Jeff Worsham via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Campbell; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposal Cycle?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">AMA website shows the following rules change proposal for 2018-19 already submitted by Curtis Oberg:</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">"I propose that the current 5000 gram weight limit be eliminated for the Sportsman, Intermediate, and Advanced Classes."</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Robert Campbell via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Or weigh fuel airplanes with FULL tanks. The FAI rule does specify TAKE-OFF weight may not exceed 5 kg. You can't take-off without fuel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="m_-3028927973676880663divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Does anyone know when the next rules proposal cycle begins?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I think it is time to stretch the weight limit to at least 4 ozs over 11 lbs. for electrics in ALL the AMA classes. Tired of paying the proverbial $100 and ounce to get there. Glow setups have an advantage. No doubt in my mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Flame on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="1" width="100%" noshade="" style="color:#A0A0A0" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13837 - Release Date: 01/26/17<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></body></html>