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    John,<br>
    I see what you mean.<br>
    I'm not sure why no one ( including me) has submitted a rule change
    to take Sportsman out of the supplemental class. How many years have
    we included Sportsman at most or all local contests? Why do we need
    a designation which defines Sportsman as a class whose only
    difference is that it is specifically excluded from the Nats?<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/20/2017 3:01 PM, John Fuqua via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sportsman
            is a provisional class.  AMA does not support any
            provisional classes at the Nats.   SIGs can but AMA will
            not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                NSRCA-discussion
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 20, 2017 3:15 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Website update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The new
          website looks great and is a much better presentation of the
          information we all need.<br>
          <br>
          After reading Mike's article on the Nats I have a couple of
          comments.<br>
          <br>
          I like the idea of trying out an addition of Sportsman on a
          trial basis although I'm not sure how we would fit in the
          additional class in Muncie. Regarding the trophies, I would
          provide the same trophies for Sportsman as any other class.
          Getting the trophies from the AMA shouldn't be a problem as
          Sportsman is an official AMA class. I don't see the point in
          making the effort to include Sportsman and then making them
          feel like second class citizens.  I assume that the same
          aircraft specification rules will be applied as everyone else.
          No waiver for "fly what you brung"<br>
          <br>
          Second thought relates to holding a final for Intermediate and
          Advanced. In the past there has been an acknowledged problem
          in finding judges plus many of the competitors didn't want to
          hang around the extra day. I suggest using the third day as a
          combination of a final and the usual last two rounds for
          non-finalists. The top 8 competitors would go into the finals
          and fly two rounds. Best of the rounds would be used to
          average with prelim average to establish the finalist order.
          The remaining pilots would still be jockeying for their final
          placing but could not beat out any finalist.<br>
          <br>
          Or everyone could fly all 6 rounds and then have a one round
          sudden death flyoff of the top 8 places for final placing.<br>
           <br>
          Point is that there are ways to provide a final for all
          classes without undue strain on all concerned.<br>
          <br>
          John<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/20/2017 12:26 PM, Ronald Van Putte
            via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I agree Vince.  We did it in the D-3
            contest announcements that were just phased out.   <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 20, 2017, at 11:59 AM,
                    Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Looks great.  Thanks Derek. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Only one suggestion.  It will
                        be great to somehow allow pilots to tell the CDs
                        that they are planing to attend their contest. 
                        I think is good for the CD and clubs to have
                        approximate head count to prepare for the
                        contest.  Probably this has been discussed in
                        the pass and I forgot details.  Also this helps
                        the CD to comunicate back to pilots in case of
                        sudden changes just before the contest.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:12
                        AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi
                              Rob,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mike
                              Harrison’s info is there – it was put up a
                              couple of days ago.  I’ll have Jon
                              Carter’s article up shortly…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks
                              for the feedback!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-Derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">NSRCA-discussion
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                <b>Reply-To: </b>Robert Campbell <<a
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                                <b>Date: </b>Friday, January 20, 2017
                                at 7:34 AM<br>
                                <b>To: </b>Anthony Romano <<a
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                                  href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</a>>,
                                NSRCA List <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
                                Website update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                really like the new site.  My favorite
                                feature is the way the links to upcoming
                                contests are displayed on the home page.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                                    only negative comment I have is I
                                    can't find the 2017 NATS info from
                                    Mike Harrison and Jon Carter that
                                    was on the old site.  I expect that
                                    will be fixed in a few days.  But
                                    then again, AMA doesn't have much on
                                    the 2017 NATS yet either.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    job on the new website!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                    Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:44 AM,
                                    Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Now that
                                            everyone has had a chance to
                                            see the new website please
                                            share your feedback!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Let the
                                            team know that their hard
                                            work has been appreciated.
                                            Also, it is good to hear any
                                            areas that may have missed
                                            the mark.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888">Anthony</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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