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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><FONT FACE="Calibri">Here is my response to Peter Vogel comments</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B> <FONT FACE="Calibri">on Ron Hansens questions</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><FONT FACE="Calibri"> -</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B> <FONT FACE="Calibri"> See comments in red below.</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I wrote this because I do not see any benefit to NSRCA other than nationals. What about the pilots who never intend to go to the nationals. AMA rules for pattern not NSRCA.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">So if NSRCA only for Nationals attendants and pilots do not go to NATS where is the benefit. If the question cannot be answered reasonably and with demonstrated benefits</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> then getting in new pilots is a lost cause.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Only been in it 5 years and becoming disheartened</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> in NSRCA</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Not here to discount anyone but an</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">wers are not being offered just rhetoric</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">. Also just want to say I believe the people involved in pattern are of the greatest caliber. But change or die like it or not. We need to improve and come up with real answers. I do not have them just commenting on the same rhetoric I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> have</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> heard since I started and guess what wearing thin with no improvement in sight.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Steve Sobolewski</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced below:</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">So as a pilot only interested in local contests, so what does not help me.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> Do we not usually follow FAI anyways? Except</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">for sportsman thru masters also what progression spell it out, where ?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> How did it enhance safety ? same AMA safety rules apply to everyone nothing speci</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">fic for NSRCA</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> only rules changed were to keep up with the times</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">and technology</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">or everyone flying Futaba , JR radios with battery level feedback would have been disqualified. So 80% of the pilots would have been out.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">You need to explain this.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">Exactly where is it a recognized sport except among the pattern community. I do not see it on TV or cable channels.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">Well let me say this. I read online</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> and then take a test immediately afterward, but no critical information like length of line or requirements , kinda leaves it up to the individual and their perception of geometry. Need organized</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">judging clinics and not for 2 hours, try to remember all the sequences even with Peters phenomenal scoring system .</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> Judging is a crap shoot.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> So where is the high standard for judging?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">Again</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri"> so what, If I do not go to Nationals who cares.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available!</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">Scott does a great job not knocking it but if I am paying dues for this SIG I want the news and advertising free to everyone. I can look at Tower Hobbies website free, I can even read articles online via news channels free, why not this?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE=4 FACE="Calibri">Agreed great articles , but guess what I already built a plane, and read on RC Groups and RC Universe and got the same information free way before I joined NSRCA.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA web page ? The <<A HREF="http://nsrca.us">http://nsrca.us</A>> nsrca.us web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Today's Topics:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 1. Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> missing? (Larry Diamond)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 2. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> missing? (Jay Marshall)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 3. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> missing? (Robert Campbell)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 4. JR 12X (Olstinske Dale)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 5. Re: JR 12X (Ed Alt)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> 6. Re: JR 12X (Jon Lowe)</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Message: 1</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:37:44 -0600</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: "Larry Diamond" <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: "'General pattern discussion'" <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Culture - What are we missing?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good thing.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature?? </FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell our product, we must understand what is it today.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say? Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of a push.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe that is why we have the Sportsman class.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What are your thoughts?????</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Larry Diamond</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: Ron Hansen <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">rcpilot@wowway.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>; General pattern discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced below:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.) </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available! </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA web page ? The <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="http://nsrca.us"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">http://nsrca.us</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> nsrca.us web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: 'General pattern discussion'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Jim Hiller</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Spokane WA</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [ <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: General pattern discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> term existence....but not to give away the farm.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> that does not support attachments.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size limited to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes to download a single message.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up to allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">--</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Tom</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Tom Simes <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:simestd@netexpress.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">simestd@netexpress.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 08:51:37 -0500</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: "Jay Marshall" <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">lightfoot@sc.rr.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: "'Larry Diamond'" <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>, "'General pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">discussion'" <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Culture - What are we missing?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Message-ID: <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:000001d26cda$fe8a42f0$fb9ec8d0$@sc.rr.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">000001d26cda$fe8a42f0$fb9ec8d0$@sc.rr.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">All I have read so far is the opinions of NSRCA members on why the organization is growing. A good marketing plan would be to ask the non-members why they are not interested, or what would entice them to become involved.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Jay Marshall</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:38 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: 'General pattern discussion'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we missing?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good thing.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature?? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell our product, we must understand what is it today.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say? Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of a push.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe that is why we have the Sportsman class.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What are your thoughts?????</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Larry Diamond</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: Ron Hansen <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">rcpilot@wowway.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>; General pattern discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced below:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.) </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available! </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The NSRCA web page ? The <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="http://nsrca.us"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">http://nsrca.us</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> nsrca.us web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On Behalf Of James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: 'General pattern discussion'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Jim Hiller</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Spokane WA</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: NSRCA-discussion [ <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">] On</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: General pattern discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> term existence....but not to give away the farm.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> that does not support attachments.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size limited</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">to download a single message.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Tom</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:32:10 -0600</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: Robert Campbell <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:rgc1701@gmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">rgc1701@gmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: Larry Diamond <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>, General pattern</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri">Culture - What are we missing?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Message-ID:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Calibri"><</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:CAHZQH3Pm7VqxpXF22hX8RW6bswom7X2H_hZ9vfq3542o-_JAWA@mail.gmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">CAHZQH3Pm7VqxpXF22hX8RW6bswom7X2H_hZ9vfq3542o-_JAWA@mail.gmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">The entire hobby industry is in a down cycle. I read on-line that Hobbico</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">missed a profit sharing payment to its employees. My LHS's business is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">down by a factor of SIX over just a few years ago. This leads me to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">believe a large part of the problem is concerns over the economy. Those</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">who are unemployed and underemployed are not spending money on the hobby</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">because they don't have it. Those who are still employed are cutting back</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">on discretionary spending because they are concerned over losing their jobs.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Just my $0.02.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Rob</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> thing.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?*</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature??</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> our product, we must understand what is it today.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> somebody who was flying pattern and ?*we wanted to be one of them*?. I</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> a push.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> that is why we have the Sportsman class.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> What are your thoughts?????</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Larry Diamond</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">]</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *On Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *To:* Ron Hansen <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">rcpilot@wowway.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>; General pattern discussion <</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> below:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. *The NSRCA advances our</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> interests to the AMA*. The AMA represents all modelers within the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Our purpose is best stated by the following:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> basis for AMA rules change proposals.? *</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> precision aerobatics.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."*</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."*</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? *</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> The *NSRCA sets standards for judging*. Judging precision aerobatics in</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> committee that the yearly judging review is published.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> certify for a nominal fee.)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *The KFactor magazine* ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> the KFactor is available!</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> your respective DVP for publications.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *The NSRCA web page* ? The nsrca.us web page is your source for</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to building articles. These articles will remain in this location</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">]</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *On Behalf Of *James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Jim Hiller</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Spokane WA</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> -----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> From: NSRCA-discussion [<A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>] On</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> To: General pattern discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> > that does not support attachments.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> limited</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to download a single message.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> --</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Tom</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Tom Simes </FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN><A HREF="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">simestd@netexpress.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:06:58 -0800</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: Olstinske Dale <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:sanjosedale@gmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">sanjosedale@gmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: General pattern discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Message-ID: <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:966656AA-2987-474D-9A15-40988CB8D64D@gmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">966656AA-2987-474D-9A15-40988CB8D64D@gmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of these laying around, that you could part with? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Contact me offline</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Dale</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Message: 5</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:18:53 +0000</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">From: Ed Alt <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">ed_alt@hotmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">To: Olstinske Dale <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:sanjosedale@gmail.com"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">sanjosedale@gmail.com</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">>, General pattern discussion</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Did you try Tony Stillman at Radio South?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Ed</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> On Jan 12, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-discussion <</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of these laying around, that you could part with? </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Contact me offline</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">> Dale</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Calibri">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X</FONT></SPAN></P>
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