<div dir="ltr">You're welcome to rant on my screen anytime John !!!!!!!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 8:08 AM, ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

    
<div><p>A strong Plus 1 for John's comments.<br></p><p>Ron Lockhart    10 years as District II Contest Board Member<br></p><blockquote type="cite">On January 12, 2017 at 8:45 PM John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br><br><div class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-WordSection1"><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Unfortunately the benefits are not readily apparent but never the less are critical to our survival.    I would offer that without NSRCA pattern would die.   AMA is not in the business anymore to promote a particular activity.   The Contest Board, all of which are NSRCA members, would have little or no direction without input from NSRCA.   I have personal experience with this when the Board also did IMAC rules.   No direction, input or consensus on direction.    Yes NSRCA is not perfect but I challenge anybody to identify a single volunteer organization which is.   </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I have said this a thousand times - If you want to change a rule submit a change.   Anybody can.    Cannot estimate how many times someone told me there needs to be a rule change and then did NOTHING.    </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">We need a single voice for the community so we have some input/influence.    If you do not like it run for office and get you ideas out.   </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Apologies my rant.</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">John</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>STEVE S via NSRCA-discussion<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:15 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue 8</span></p></div></div><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Here is my response to Peter Vogel comments</span> </strong><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">on Ron Hansens questions -</span> </strong><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> See comments in red below.</span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I wrote this because I do not see any benefit to NSRCA other than nationals. What about the pilots who never intend to go to the nationals. AMA rules for pattern not NSRCA.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So if NSRCA only for Nationals attendants and pilots do not go to NATS where is the benefit. If the question cannot be answered reasonably and with demonstrated benefits then getting in new pilots is a lost cause.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Only been in it 5 years and becoming disheartened in NSRCA.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Not here to discount anyone but answers are not being offered just rhetoric. Also just want to say I believe the people involved in pattern are of the greatest caliber. But change or die like it or not. We need to improve and come up with real answers. I do not have them just commenting on the same rhetoric I have heard since I started and guess what wearing thin with no improvement in sight.</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Steve Sobolewski</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot.  So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section.  The important stuff is reproduced below:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">So as a pilot only interested in local contests, so what does not help me.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.?</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt"> Do we not usually follow FAI anyways? Except</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">for sportsman thru masters also what progression spell it out, where ?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt"> How did it enhance safety ? same AMA safety rules apply to everyone nothing specific for NSRCA only rules changed were to keep up with the times</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">and technology</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">or everyone flying Futaba , JR radios with battery level feedback would have been disqualified. So 80% of the pilots would have been out.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">? b.  Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</span>  <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">You need to explain this.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" c.  Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">Exactly where is it a recognized sport except among the pattern community. I do not see it on TV or cable channels.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" d.  Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">Well let me say this. I read online and then take a test immediately afterward, but no critical information like length of line or requirements , kinda leaves it up to the individual and their perception of geometry. Need organized</span> <span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">judging clinics and not for 2 hours, try to remember all the sequences even with Peters phenomenal scoring system . Judging is a crap shoot. So where is the high standard for judging?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.)</span></p><p><span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">Again so what, If I do not go to Nationals who cares.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available!</span></p><p><span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">Scott does a great job not knocking it but if I am paying dues for this SIG I want the news and advertising free to everyone. I can look at Tower Hobbies website free, I can even read articles online via news channels free, why not this?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications.</span></p><p><span style="color:red;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:13.5pt">Agreed great articles , but guess what I already built a plane, and read on RC Groups and RC Universe and got the same information  free way before I joined NSRCA.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA web page ? The  <<a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us</a>> <a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a> web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br>From: NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-request@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:00 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a><br>Subject: NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue 8</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Send NSRCA-discussion mailing list submissions to</span></p><p>        <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span></p><p>        <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://lists.nsrca.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/nsrca-<wbr>discussion</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span></p><p>        <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion-request@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You can reach the person managing the list at</span></p><p>        <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-owner@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion-owner@lists.<wbr>nsrca.org</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NSRCA-discussion digest..."</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Today's Topics:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   1. Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture -     What are we</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">      missing? (Larry Diamond)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   2. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture   -       What are we</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">      missing? (Jay Marshall)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   3. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">      missing? (Robert Campbell)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   4. JR 12X (Olstinske Dale)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   5. Re: JR 12X (Ed Alt)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">   6. Re: JR 12X (Jon Lowe)</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Message: 1</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:37:44 -0600</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: "Larry Diamond" <</span><a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: "'General pattern discussion'" <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -</span></p><p>        <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Culture -       What are we missing?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Message-ID: <</span><a href="mailto:000001d26c85$3ce115c0$b6a34140$@diamondrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">000001d26c85$3ce115c0$<wbr>b6a34140$@diamondrc.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good thing.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature?? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell our product, we must understand what is it today.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say? Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of a push.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe that is why we have the Sportsman class.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What are your thoughts?????</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Larry Diamond</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: Ron Hansen <</span><a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">rcpilot@wowway.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>; General pattern discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot.  So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section.  The important stuff is reproduced below:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">? b.  Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" c.  Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" d.  Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.) </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available! </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications. </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA web page ? The  <</span><a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://nsrca.us</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> <a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a> web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%20%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org <mailto:nsrca-discussion@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our model for advertisers.  Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just advertisements.  This would give companies feedback on how many people read and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion-bounces@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: 'General pattern discussion'</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jim Hiller</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Spokane WA</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [ <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: General pattern discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> term existence....but not to give away the farm.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> that does not support attachments.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever the community and BoD decides to do.  A minor point of clarification, the current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size limited to 500 KB per message per community request.  Note that the request dates from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes to download a single message.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up to allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">--</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","s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he non-members why they are not interested, or what would entice them to become involved.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jay Marshall</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:38 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: 'General pattern discussion'</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we missing?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good thing.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature?? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell our product, we must understand what is it today.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say? Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of a push.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe that is why we have the Sportsman class.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What are your thoughts?????</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Larry Diamond</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: Ron Hansen <</span><a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">rcpilot@wowway.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>; General pattern discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot.  So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web site in the "new pilot info" section.  The important stuff is reproduced below:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">? b.  Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" c.  Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">" d.  Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify for a nominal fee.) </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st , the KFactor is available! </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications. </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The NSRCA web page ? The  <</span><a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://nsrca.us</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> <a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a> web page is your source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our model for advertisers.  Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just advertisements.  This would give companies feedback on how many people read and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion-bounces@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On Behalf Of James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: 'General pattern discussion'</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jim Hiller</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Spokane WA</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: NSRCA-discussion [ <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">] On</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: General pattern discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> term existence....but not to give away the farm.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> that does not support attachments.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">the community and BoD decides to do.  A minor point of clarification, the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size limited</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">to 500 KB per message per community request.  Note that the request dates</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">to download a single message.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">--</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Tom</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">==============================<wbr>==============================<wbr>==========</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">    "Z80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, she's</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">          sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Tom Simes                         <wbr>               <</span><a href="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:simestd@netexpress.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><wbr>></span> <a href="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">simestd@netexpress.com</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">==============================<wbr>==============================<wbr>==========</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">______________________________<wb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t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><</span><a href="mailto:CAHZQH3Pm7VqxpXF22hX8RW6bswom7X2H_hZ9vfq3542o-_JAWA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">CAHZQH3Pm7VqxpXF22hX8RW6bswom<wbr>7X2H_hZ9vfq3542o-_JAWA@mail.<wbr>gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The entire hobby industry is in a down cycle.  I read on-line that Hobbico</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">missed a profit sharing payment to its employees.  My LHS's business is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">down by a factor of SIX over just a few years ago.  This leads me to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">believe a large part of the problem is concerns over the economy.  Those</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">who are unemployed and underemployed are not spending money on the hobby</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">because they don't have it.  Those who are still employed are cutting back</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">on discretionary spending because they are concerned over losing their jobs.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Just my $0.02.</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rob</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <</span></p><p><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> thing.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> of how our culture has not kept up with the times.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?*</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature??</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> our product, we must understand what is it today.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> somebody who was flying pattern and ?*we wanted to be one of them*?. I</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> a push.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> that is why we have the Sportsman class.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> What are your thoughts?????</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Larry Diamond</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">]</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *On Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *To:* Ron Hansen <</span><a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">rcpilot@wowway.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>; General pattern discussion <</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot.  So much so, that</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> site in the "new pilot info" section.  The important stuff is reproduced</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> below:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. *The NSRCA advances our</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> interests to the AMA*. The AMA represents all modelers within the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Our purpose is best stated by the following:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> basis for AMA rules change proposals.? *</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> precision aerobatics.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *? b.  Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."*</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *" c.  Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."*</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *" d.  Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? *</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> The *NSRCA sets standards for judging*. Judging precision aerobatics in</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> committee that the yearly judging review is published.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> certify for a nominal fee.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *The KFactor magazine* ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> the KFactor is available!</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> your respective DVP for publications.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *The NSRCA web page* ? The <a href="http://nsrca.us" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a> web page is your source for</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to building articles. These articles will remain in this location</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> model for advertisers.  Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> advertisements.  This would give companies feedback on how many people read</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">]</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *On Behalf Of *James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Jim Hiller</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Spokane WA</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> -----Original Message-----</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> From: NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion-bounces@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>] On</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> To: General pattern discussion</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> > that does not support attachments.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> the community and BoD decides to do.  A minor point of clarification, the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> limited</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to 500 KB per message per community request.  Note that the request dates</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to download a single message.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> to</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> --</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Tom</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> ==============================<wbr>==============================<wbr>==========</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>     "Z80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, she's</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>           sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Tom Simes                         <wbr>             </span> <a href="mailto:simestd@netexpress.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">simestd@netexpress.com</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Cal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at the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of these laying around, that you could part with?  </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Contact me offline</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dale</span></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p><p><a href="mailto:sanjosedale@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">sanjosedale@gmail.com</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">------------------------------</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Message: 5</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:18:53 +0000</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: Ed Alt <</span><a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ed_alt@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: Olstinske Dale <</span><a href="mailto:sanjosedale@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">sanjosedale@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>, General pattern discussion</span></p><p>        <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Message-ID:</span></p><p>        <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><</span><a href="mailto:DM5PR12MB1322258EE66C046A429AB11BE8790@DM5PR12MB1322.namprd12.prod.outlook.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">DM5PR12MB1322258EE66C046A429A<wbr>B11BE8790@DM5PR12MB1322.<wbr>namprd12.prod.outlook.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span></p><p>       </p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Did you try Tony Stillman at Radio South?</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ed</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> On Jan 12, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-discussion <</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older planes.  I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of these laying around, that you could part with?  </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Contact me offline</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Thanks,</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Dale</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> </span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:sanjosedale@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">sanjosedale@gmail.com</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> ______________________________<wbr>_________________</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">></span> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://lists.nsrca.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/nsrca-<wbr>discussion</span></a></p><p class="m_-4956807221979581693ox-c115e1f02e-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="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