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<div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we missing?
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have to agree with Larry’s point concerning patterns popularity at a time when growth was based on “we wanted to be one of them”. And I also agree the problems faced is defining and selling the product and ourselves.
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first year of competing was the first year of all turn-around so I only have a historical perspective from that time forward. NSRCA membership at the time was well over one thousand members. It was a feel good, positive experience to support our Sig. Membership
had a real sense of forward movement for the most part even though pattern had just taken a hit when turn-around was introduced. As someone who never experienced the old patterns, I was well aware of them as I followed pattern a few years before I entered
the arena. Marveled at Hanno and so forth.</span></p>
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me, I found turn-around pattern a refreshing change as it introduced new and exciting technologies, schedules, and still does in my opinion.
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culture through the years seems to have changed somewhat and that positive forward momentum or perception of it, has faded a bit. I re-joined after a 12 year lay off and the membership seemed disgruntled for various reasons and most notable, a feeling of being
closed out, even some officers. Bad deal, bad for NSRCA. </span></p>
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we need is a few good men...The NSRCA has to be a positive experience for membership. Voices need to be heard and discussion needs to be open and honest. A creed, if you will. NSRCA members need to feel that it’s worth giving up some time for, a worthy cause.
Members need to feel that being a part of the NSRCA is something special again. </span>
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you fix the culture, there is no better marketing tool than word of mouth. NSRCA members will once again spread the good word and discuss our sport and the NSRCA in a positive light to others, and that is contagious. It worked on me.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px; font-family:Arial; color:#000000; background-color:transparent; font-weight:400; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">My
early pattern years were influenced by guys like Dave Von Linsowe, Jeff Combs, Dave Patrick, Bill Cunningham, Ivan and Chip, just to name a few. Top flyers at the time. In the early days meeting and listening to them at workshops or the Nats or discussing
pattern with any one of these guys left you with a sense of professionalism and integrity to the sport, and you</span><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px; font-family:Arial; color:#000000; background-color:transparent; font-weight:700; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">
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part of it</span><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px; font-family:Arial; color:#000000; background-color:transparent; font-weight:700; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">.</span><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px; font-family:Arial; color:#000000; background-color:transparent; font-weight:400; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:baseline; white-space:pre-wrap">
I remember when getting prepared for the Nats was a huge deal for me, and wanting to do well in front of these guys and others like them was a driving force that I enjoyed very much. It was a real sense of pride when I got a nod from one of them.
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am not seeing a magic bullet here, it's gonna take time to re-build. Make positive change one step at a time and keep the membership in the loop at all times. Make membership feel a part of it. Grow together.</span></p>
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let's get the K-Factor in a FREE for everyone, open online market, allowing discussion and free flowing ideas. It's our best tool to promote and grow pattern again in a positive, professional light. It's our biggest marketing tool besides the members themselves.</span></p>
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there is interest, it's what I do for a living, Online Marketing, be glad to help out.
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From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <br>
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we missing?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern that prevents or limits growth in pattern.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good thing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I stated that our culture hasn’t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003. Peter’s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example of how
our culture has not kept up with the times.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Peter’s email below, and Ron Hansen’s, in the discussion ask a very basic question that I don’t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What is in it for “me” to be a member -and- participate in contests?</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">It is too easy to say, “it’s the people… They aren’t willing to put in the time, they aren’t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature…”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I’m not sold that this is the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in growing
pattern is selling our product, “Pattern”. Yet, before we can sell our product, we must understand what is it today.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by somebody who was flying pattern and “<b><u>we wanted to be one of them</u></b>”. I don’t
see this happening today other than hit and miss.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Culture… Example… We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits our audience.
Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say… Didn’t somebody state that we are losing advertising
dollars because the businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem to hover
around the same membership population issues. Other than some select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of a push.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe that is why we
have the Sportsman class.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Only my opinion, I could be wrong…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What are your thoughts?????</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Larry Diamond</span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the <a href="http://NSRCA.us">NSRCA.us</a> web site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced below:</p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA.
<b>The NSRCA advances our interests to the AMA</b>. The AMA represents all modelers within the organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who attend the Nationals
(NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th . Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">Our purpose is best stated by the following:</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><strong><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#3366FF">“a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather intelligence from the AMA precision
aerobatics community to provide the basis for AMA rules change proposals.” </span></i></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically,
electric motor arming, transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying precision aerobatics.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><strong><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#3366FF">“ b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by providing leadership in all of the
objectives of the society."</span></i></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><strong><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#3366FF">" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."</span></i></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><strong><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#3366FF">" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and provide qualifications and achievement
recognition for judges.” </span></i></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">The
<b>NSRCA sets standards for judging</b>. Judging precision aerobatics in District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members
can also certify for a nominal fee.) </span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">The KFactor magazine</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">
– The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased
publication costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg, has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it’s April 1st , the KFactor is available! </span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a particular pattern plane, or how to
paint, or which color is best suited for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP’s can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are published
before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your respective DVP for publications. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:3.0pt; margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">The NSRCA web page</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333">
– The </span><a target="_blank" href="http://nsrca.us"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">nsrca.us</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333"> web page is your source for nformation
in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it
has been suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join (renew) your membership
in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot “in it for me”.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">You don’t need to be a member to participate in contests?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I didn’t start competing for several years after that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just advertisements.
This would give companies feedback on how many people read and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy<br>
with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.<br>
Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me<br>
it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until<br>
I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.<br>
I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those<br>
that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.<br>
I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.<br>
Jim Hiller<br>
Spokane WA<br>
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From: NSRCA-discussion [</span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">] On<br>
Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion<br>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor<br>
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On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:<br>
> Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but<br>
> then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.<br>
> However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long<br>
> term existence....but not to give away the farm.<br>
> Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for<br>
> K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is<br>
> that does not support attachments.<br>
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As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever<br>
the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the<br>
current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size limited<br>
to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates<br>
from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes<br>
to download a single message.<br>
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That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up to<br>
allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the<br>
existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.<br>
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--<br>
Tom<br>
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