<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #800080"><div>I can decide that without taking ANY voltag, DC or AC!!! I took 110v AC once from a cheap radio that I had tapped into the IF tube for a signal to an amp. The shield was grounded to the chassis, and the plug was in backwards. This was long before polarized AC sockets. I decided not to do THAT, again, also. ;-{P~<br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div>I took 450 volts DC once and it smarted pretty good!!!! Small mark where</div><div>the current entered, but quite a good sized hole w/ significant burning at</div><div>the exit point. I decided not to do that anymore.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The answer varies all over the place. Oftentimes, you hear that 50 mA through the chest is likely to be fatal. It doesn't cook you, it disrupts<span> the
signals from your brain as they try to keep your heart beating. Depending on your medical condition, maybe it takes less, maybe more.</span></p>
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the less current flows. </span> In general, you certainly want to avoid licking your fingers on each hand and tightly grasping the positive terminal on one hand, and the negative on the other. </p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Interesting discussion about the batteries. I thought the rule was 42 V DC. Are there not serious health implications, i.e. just how much the
body can take? I was always under the impression the rule was safety based and is why the FAI imposed the 42 V rule all those years ago?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I am purely going off what is bouncing around in my head…but I doubt, the FAI will change a rule if its safety based?</span></p>
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I’m pretty sure all we’d get is a rapid movement back to Glow which has no bound for displacement and therefore power. At least in FAI and Masters.
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On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let's cut cost and increase participation by reducing to 8S rather than 12S. Airplanes will be smaller and cheaper, batteries
will be cheaper, and we won't have to worry about the weight limit. We won't have to worry about the 2M biplanes that will be bigger (the logic of that argument about the weight limit gives me a migraine trying to understand how 2 meters becomes bigger).</span></p>
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Adding the option of 12S is about efficiency, being nice to your batteries.... <span> </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To Andrew’s point, power is already unlimited in our rules. Glow is not constrained, only E-power. So while normally I’m a staunch opponent to any rule change that will alter the designs of our planes and
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Power is not currently limited, so allowing 12s doesn’t change the available power. It merely allows those flying electric to do so more efficiently. And yes… A YS200 will likely support even larger Bipes
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On Nov 11, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <<a style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Then cap the wattage we can reach, But don't worry when YS comes out with there 200 that won't allow the pattern planes to grow as long as there under 5000 without fuel right? ��</span></p>
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