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<div class="">I think the simple answer here is that FAI already allows 12s (50v) for Heli (F3C), so that issue has already been dealt with.</div>
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<div class="">Traditionally here in the states, 40vdc is considered a non-lethal voltage. Scott’s comment about it being the amperage not the voltage is sorta true… but at 40v, no amount of available amperage could kill you. You’re bodies internal resistance
(through tissue) is too high to let high amperage pass. So instead of a big shock, you typically get a nice nasty burn at the source of the contact.</div>
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<div class="">Internationally that voltage is 50v… still considered safe at any amperage. So while safety is always a factor, I don’t think it plays a role in this discussion. And again, 12s has already been approved for other disciplines.</div>
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<div class="">On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Interesting discussion about the batteries. I thought the rule was 42 V DC. Are there not serious health implications, i.e. just how much the body can take? I was always under the impression
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I am purely going off what is bouncing around in my head…but I doubt, the FAI will change a rule if its safety based?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Let's cut cost and increase participation by reducing to 8S rather than 12S. Airplanes will be smaller and cheaper, batteries will be cheaper, and we won't have
to worry about the weight limit. We won't have to worry about the 2M biplanes that will be bigger (the logic of that argument about the weight limit gives me a migraine trying to understand how 2 meters becomes bigger).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 11, 2016 5:28 PM<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">To Andrew’s point, power is already unlimited in our rules. Glow is not constrained, only E-power. So while normally I’m a staunch opponent to any rule change that will alter the designs of our planes
and thus obsolete everything and increase costs, I don’t think supporting 12S does that.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Power is not currently limited, so allowing 12s doesn’t change the available power. It merely allows those flying electric to do so more efficiently. And yes… A YS200 will likely support even larger
Bipes if they can build them and make weight.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On Nov 11, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>>
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<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Then cap the wattage we can reach, But don't worry when YS comes out with there 200 that won't allow the pattern planes to grow as long as there under 5000 without fuel right? 🤔</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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