<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">Two meters by two meters is constrained by wingspan and fuse length aka x and y axis.  What the 2M rule doesn't take into consideration is the z axis.  Have you not noticed the gain in fuselage height?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div><div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_4367893804210351743WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let's cut cost and increase participation by reducing to 8S rather than 12S. Airplanes will be smaller and cheaper, batteries will be cheaper, and we won't have to worry about the weight limit. We won't have to worry about the 2M  biplanes that will be bigger (the logic of that argument about the weight limit gives me a migraine trying to understand how 2 meters becomes bigger).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2016 12:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark; Andrew Jesky; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_12321"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">+1<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_15234"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Adding the option of 12S is about efficiency, being nice to your batteries....  <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Bill<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_15248"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8764"><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8763"><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8762"><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8876"><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8874"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Andrew Jesky <<a href="mailto:andrewjesky@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewjesky@gmail.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 11, 2016 5:28 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8761"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div id="m_4367893804210351743yiv1452994183"><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8760"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">To Andrew’s point, power is already unlimited in our rules.  Glow is not constrained, only E-power.  So while normally I’m a staunch opponent to any rule change that will alter the designs of our planes and thus obsolete everything and increase costs, I don’t think supporting 12S does that. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479135845186_8878"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_4367893804210351743yui_3_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