<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #800080"><div>Well, Scott, I'd say it ain't the volts OR the amps, it's the stupidity and carelessness...<br></div><div><br></div><div><span name="x"></span><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><div style="text-align: center;"><div style="text-align: left;"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span style="color: #8b8b8b;"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-size: 12px;"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><span><em><strong><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus</span style="font-size: 14px;"></strong></em></span><em><strong><br><span style="font-size: 14px;"> AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member<br><span style="font-size: 14px;"> SPA L-18, Board Member<br><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Oliver Springs, TN (865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span style="font-size: 14px;"></span style="font-size: 14px;"></span style="font-size: 14px;"></strong></em><br><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span style="font-size: 10px;"></span style="font-size: 11px;"></span style="font-size: 12px;"></span style="font-size: 13px;"></span style="color: #8b8b8b;"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></div style="text-align: left;"></div style="text-align: center;"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"></span class="signature-truncate"><span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">Hi Tom,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">You may be right but keep in mind, it's not the voltage that kills you, it's the amps.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span data-mce-style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; font-size: large;" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</span></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div><div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Interesting discussion about the batteries. I thought the rule was 42 V DC. Are there not serious health implications, i.e. just how much the body can take? I
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I am purely going off what is bouncing around in my head…but I doubt, the FAI will change a rule if its safety based?<span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 November 2016 6:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dave Burton; General pattern discussion<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m pretty sure all we’d get is a rapid movement back to Glow which has no bound for displacement and therefore power. At least in FAI and Masters.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let's cut cost and increase participation by reducing to 8S rather than 12S. Airplanes will be smaller and cheaper, batteries will be cheaper, and we won't
have to worry about the weight limit. We won't have to worry about the 2M biplanes that will be bigger (the logic of that argument about the weight limit gives me a migraine trying to understand how 2 meters becomes bigger).</span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></p>
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[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>]<span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bill
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 14, 2016 12:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span>Atwood, Mark; Andrew Jesky; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></p>
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<b>To:</b><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span>Andrew Jesky <<a href="mailto:andrewjesky@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">andrewjesky@gmail.com</span></a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-2024921621510474611apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 11, 2016 5:28 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To Andrew’s point, power is already unlimited in our rules. Glow is not constrained, only E-power. So while normally I’m a staunch opponent to any rule change
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Power is not currently limited, so allowing 12s doesn’t change the available power. It merely allows those flying electric to do so more efficiently. And yes…
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On Nov 11, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <<a><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Then cap the wattage we can reach, But don't worry when YS comes out with there 200 that won't allow the pattern planes to grow as long as there
under 5000 without fuel right? 🤔</span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></p>
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