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<p>I am not sure that you can get much bigger as long as you keep the 11 pound weight limit. Remove the weight limit and yes biplanes will get bigger.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/2016 1:13 PM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<div aria-label="Compose body">Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but rather than going easy on a 12s setup, won't we just find a way to run the crap out of it (bigger props, for example) to power bigger, more expensive airplanes if that gives a competitive
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 11, 2016 12:17:45 PM<br>
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<div>I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage . </div>
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<div>Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00)</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to the airframe to take advantage of this change?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
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won’t affect the AMA classes. Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated sequences.
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<b>To:</b> Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion<br>
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To: 'Bill Pritchett' <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com">billpritch@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
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Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."</span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion<br>
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<span style="color:black;font-size:9.5pt" data-mce-style="color: black; font-size:
9.5pt;">I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years
has provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class. On the
other hand, those that choose to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the
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changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span><span data-mce-style="text-decoration:
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