<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">No! We can’t use 12S battery packs. We can’t be trusted around 12S battery packs! We are being protected from ourselves. Just do what you’re told and everything will be fine. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">RVP</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 11, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: ArialMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Why not just get rid of the battery size requirement, then you don’t have to worry about it. (Same with weight) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Once we’ve all invested in new 12S equipment (or quit pattern), then 14S will become all the rage.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Perhaps some of y’all missed it this week, but the wave of the future is less regulation, not more.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-Keith Hoard<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">klhoard@outlook.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 11, 2016 12:39<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="">I am not sure that you can get much bigger as long as you keep the 11 pound weight limit. Remove the weight limit and yes biplanes will get bigger.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 11/11/2016 1:13 PM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but rather than going easy on a 12s setup, won't we just find a way to run the crap out of it (bigger props, for example) to power bigger, more expensive airplanes if that gives a competitive advantage?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Scott<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center" id="zwchr" class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mark Hunt"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:flyintexanmark@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><flyintexanmark@gmail.com></a>, "General pattern discussion"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>, "Ron Hansen"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><rcpilot@wowway.com></a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, November 11, 2016 12:17:45 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage . <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);" class="">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">-------- Original message --------<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">To: Ron Hansen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><rcpilot@wowway.com></a>, General pattern discussion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to the airframe to take advantage of this change?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I don’t understand how this rule change won’t affect the AMA classes. Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Ron</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-color: currentcolor;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538composer_signature" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(54, 79, 103);" class="">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">-------- Original message --------<br class="">From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">To: 'Bill Pritchett' <<a href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">billpritch@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, 'Andrew Jesky' <<a href="mailto:andrewjesky@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">andrewjesky@gmail.com</a>>, 'Keith Hoard' <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">klhoard@outlook.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Jeff Worsham</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-color: currentcolor;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17213" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17224" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Bill</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16961" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center" class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">klhoard@outlook.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yqtfd20498" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16949" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16959" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what you think. </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16958" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16957" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Andrew </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16948" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17157" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17085" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17084" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17049" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yiv3933183842yqtfd95302" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17052" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17187" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17051" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17054" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17050" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">-Keith Hoard</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17083" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">klhoard@outlook.com</a></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17055" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17146" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17145" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">. .. [snip].. . .</span></b><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: red;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17143" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17142" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: red;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17059" class=""><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17058" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; 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