<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Very true mark</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">G<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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What’s interesting is that aside from the 12S proposal, most of our rule change requests to FAI have been an attempt to introduce AMA rules into FAI. 1/2 points are finally being observed and yes… i think we’ll be getting rid of the silly rounding rule that’s
currently in place in FAI (they need time to adjust apparently).
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<div class="">Please keep in mind that FAI is simply the rest of the worlds AMA when it comes to pattern. Most countries don’t have another governing body when it comes to competition. They move slowly in making any changes for the same reasons that we resist
the urge to make radical rule changes in AMA classes. They have the same goals of increasing participation, keep costs down, etc. all the time reconciling that with providing a progressive and current competitive framework. It’s not an easy balance.</div>
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Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive. Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does everything have to follow the FAI planes,
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Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not keep adding to it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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To: 'cahochhalter' <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
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be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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To: 'Bill Pritchett' <<a href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">billpritch@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class="">I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply about
the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's
always worked. How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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