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<div>How does developing a better power system that is less harmful to equipment and easier on batts not better.</div><div><br></div><div>This opens another option. </div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone researched the actual cost of 12s system other than the few of us who have considered and tested and suggested it?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:88%;color:#364f67" dir="auto">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>Date: 11/11/16 6:58 AM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A <br><br>
<div>Just keep make it harder for people to get into pattern! Human nature is if xyx pilot is flying a 12s plane then we must fly it also to be competitive. Why not focus on recruiting people and not push them away.. WHY does everything have to follow the
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<div>Leave the AMA classes alone get the pattern SIG to fix the problem and not keep adding to it.</div>
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Date: 11/11/16 7:46 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I don’t understand how this rule change won’t affect the AMA classes. Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes designed
would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.</p>
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To: 'Bill Pritchett' <<a href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com">billpritch@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, 'Andrew Jesky' <<a href="mailto:andrewjesky@gmail.com">andrewjesky@gmail.com</a>>,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of
42.56 volts..."</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.5pt; color:black">I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has provided the entire model
aviation community. This discussion is simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose
to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long time
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black">By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds
of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what you think. </span></p>
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On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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