<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>I don't think the issue is about what's required. I read it as the exploitation of a 12s rule that will result in design changes and drive cost higher as the hunt continues to gain a competitive advantage . </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Mark Hunt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Date: 11/11/16 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">I'm not understanding what significant design changes would be required to the airframe to take advantage of this change?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div class="m_-1159301285599178538WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I don’t understand how this rule change won’t affect the AMA classes. Most planes are designed to satisfy FAI not masters. So all future planes designed would be around 12S rather than 10S making the plane selection for AMA even smaller. This could also result in longer more complicated sequences. Bad idea unless we are going to make the same change for AMA classes. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Ron<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff and Claire; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes, but we need fai to pass it first, then get ama to approve.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(54,79,103);font-size:10.5pt">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Jeff and Claire via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> <br>Date: 11/10/16 12:38 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: 'Bill Pritchett' <<a href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">billpritch@yahoo.com</a>>, 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>>, 'Andrew Jesky' <<a href="mailto:andrewjesky@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewjesky@gmail.com</a>>, 'Keith Hoard' <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Looks like there would need to be a rule change to run 12s in an AMA class. Current rule says "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts..."</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Jeff Worsham</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Jesky; Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17213"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-size:9.5pt">I think a source of universal pride among the pattern community is the positive ripple effect that development of our gear over the years has provided the entire model aviation community. This discussion is simply about the continued development of a power system...the evolution of electric power. I don't think this would have any significant real or implied effect on any AMA class. On the other hand, those that choose to try something new no doubt will - that's how it's always worked. How many folks in AMA classes fly YS-185s? That's a choice available to all of us right now..... Our 10S setup is great and should/will continue to be the standard for a long, long time - yet not a reason to stifle development.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17224"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-size:9.5pt">Bill</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16961"><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-align:center"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><hr width="100%" size="1" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yqtfd20498"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16949"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16959"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">By changing the KV to spin the same prop at the same rpm as the 10 cell setup there isn't much that changes in the feel. I have hundreds of flights on the 12s setup, and the power output is no different as well as the torque. Heck if anyone wants to try the 12 cell setup and has there model setup for a Q80xs let me know. I'd be more than happy to let you see what you think. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16958"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16957"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">Andrew </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_16948"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17157"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17085"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17084"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">Sent from my iPhone</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17049"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yiv3933183842yqtfd95302"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"><br>On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17052"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17187"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I think it takes more than 12S to do that, Chuck . . .</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17051"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17054"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17050"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">-Keith Hoard</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17083"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17055"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17146"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17145"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:16pt">. .. [snip].. . .</span></b><span style="color:red;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:18pt"> Kv is easily adjusted by changing the wind.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17143"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17142"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:red;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:18pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17059"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17058"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:red;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:18pt">Chuck</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17116"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17115"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17118"><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17117"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><blockquote id="m_-1159301285599178538yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478786687267_17082" style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/nsrca-<wbr>discussion</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_-1159301285599178538yqtfd20498"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/nsrca-<wbr>discussion</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 14421 (20161110) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 14422 (20161110) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 14422 (20161110) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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