<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>3 or 4 of those guys wuz from Huntsville kieth</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">G <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 8, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Rick, we must have bought the same plane . . . I’m going to adopt it so all the expensive surgery I need to do this winter will be covered. If my ESC hadn’t ‘essploded on practice day, I would have been driving home after weight check at the Nats anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If you want to see what the long-term results of making an event more and more difficult and expensive, take a look at F3C (Helicopter pattern). They had 7 entrants this year.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Keith Hoard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com">klhoard@outlook.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>blotch44026--- via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 8, 2016 08:31<br><b>To:</b> Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:Snaproll4@aol.com">Snaproll4@aol.com</a>; 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Anthony Manifesto/pattern participation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Agreed on the weight rule. I have $5000 in a new bird; just missed making weight out of the box. A few mods and 1000 gram batts (4500mah) would have got me there. After a few landing gear repairs, It would never make weight so that takes me out of attending the Nationals. Weight rule makes no sense, but it always gets voted down. The 2 meter rule is the neutralizer. <br><br>Rick<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <br>Sent: Nov 5, 2016 11:45 AM <br>To: <a href="mailto:Snaproll4@aol.com">Snaproll4@aol.com</a>, 'General pattern discussion' <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Anthony Manifesto/pattern participation <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with almost everything here and would add elimination take off and landing as scored maneuvers as well for AMA classes. Refusal to adopt similar changes are why I dropped out of NSRCA a few years ago. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think the only limitations on airframe should be max 2 meter dimensions but remove the weight limit. All the weight limit does is drive up the cost of airplanes.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If rules changes like these aren't implemented pattern will continue to die out and the only people flying will be the few FAI flyers who can contend for the US team. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Most of these ideas have been submitted as rules changes in the past but were shot down by the NSRCA BOD. You would hope the drastic drop in participation would force considerations of changing some things</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dave</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Snaproll4--- via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Anthony Manifesto/pattern participation</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I do not want to be NSRCA president, but If I were NSRCA King, this is what I would do:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 1. Eliminate ALL mandatory advancement rules. In fact, as King, I would ban all conversation about advancement. I've been saying this for 20 years, but every time this gets voted on, the proposal gets soundly defeated. Can't we all name a pilot who moved up to Masters and then dropped out? We should never have rules that discourage participation. This includes the rule about trying higher classes and not being able to move back down.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Sportsman and Intermediate should be non-turnaround. Turnaround was the death of the casual competitor. No 2 meter planes will be allowed in Sportsman. You're not going to get a club flyer to compete when there are 4 Allures and a Proteus in his class. This is not supposed to be a money competition. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. Advanced should be 50% turn-around and somewhat less difficult than it is today. The emphasis here should be on the slightly more committed pilot and NOT as a building block for Masters. This should become the new destination class.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. Masters should fly all rounds of FAI P, but not compete directly against FAI pilots. I can put up a respectable P, but I don't want to fly against Team members. (besides, who would judge?) The sequence would still change every 2 years. Think of the advantages in judging as FAI pilots and Masters usually judge each other. This would eliminate the need for development of a new Masters schedule and let the sequence committee concentrate on the other 3 classes.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">5. It would be nice if we could make Sportsman two 1 day contests, consisting of 4 rounds each day. Perhaps they could fly two rounds within each flight. Yes, that would mean 3 more awards, but you can't expect Sportsman pilots to spend the time and money to go to 2 day contests. This way, a pilot could do family stuff on Saturday and compete on Sunday.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Miller, NSRCA #673</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><hr size="1" width="100%" noshade="" style="color:#A0A0A0" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13342 - Release Date: 11/03/16</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NSRCA-discussion mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>