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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>While we are on the subject of planes for sale….if anyone is interested in a “pristine” RTF Osiris let me know…..pick up or meet somewhere …..I’m in Sarasota, Florida.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pics and details on request…..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Email: <a href="mailto:jaysgerber@earthlink.net">jaysgerber@earthlink.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cell: 215-805-0685<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> S. McNickle; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I have, and the Integral has served me well. It is my back up plane, and as long as I can keep it flying, it will stay in my stable. It flies quite well, and is responsive, but not sensitive. It's had many repairs, the most serious being repair of the fuselage after it broke in half right behind the wing root. I may rename the model the Phoenix! BTW, it made weight at this past year's NATS.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Charlie B<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:33 PM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think a more generous allowance for Advanced and Intermediate would keep most used airplanes eligible for a long time. I think used airplanes are the way for a guy to get started at a somewhat reasonable cost and the increased allowance would let him have a fling at the Nats.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are lots of good used airplanes out there, but many have been repaired. Take a look at the next Integral you see, there's a real good chance there are some repairs around the landing gear area. I think Charlie Barrera has been flying one at the Nats for as long as I've been going, and Anthony Abdullah manages to use one to make most of us look silly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>"John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:24:46 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Since the 5000+50 gram weight rule applies to both FAI and AMA Masters and any reasonable rule change proposal regarding removal of the weight limitation would apply only to AMA classes below Masters and since the airframe designers will design only for the two top classes, how could there possibly be any impact on new designs?<br>Is there any impact on designs right now while the only weight checks in this country are done at the Nats? I don't see it.<br><br>The only <u>possible</u> impact to removing the weight limitation on lower classes is that someone <u>may</u> come to the Nats in Intermediate or Advanced that would have stayed home. Isn't looking at ways to increase Nats participation where this thread started?<br><br>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On 11/8/2016 2:54 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>In both cases though these were FAI rules that were also mirrored by AMA. FAI had a 10cc displacement limit ( .61cu in) and allowed for a 20cc FS.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The 2M rule was already in place, along with the 5Kg weight rule, long before the elimination of the displacement rule, so that was not a trade off. It just provided “room” for the planes (already 2m in length and width) to grow in volume and height. Right now weight is the only thing keeping that in check. Eventually (with no weight limit) the 2M box would indeed be the final restriction, but not before we see another evolution of larger aircraft. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>MARK ATWOOD<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>o. (440) 229-2502<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>c. (216) 316-2489<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>e. <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Paragon Consulting, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5900 Landerbrook Drive, Suite 205, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Powering The Digital Experience<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Del via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Hi Jim.. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Well I don't intentionally not reply to anyone asking me f/u if your query doesn't not appear in the top of message addressed to me expect I will not realize it is directed at me.. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>That time frame Jim goes back to the 70's when largest engines allowed were .60 sized displacement. The feeling was to open it up to then weak 4 cycle would help stimulate more selection. I do not have any of my old reg. books from that time frame.. But there used to be a rule no larger than 60 size engine which dictated how big and large the planes could become to fly competitively.. Why many went for the screamers in Rossi's and Webra's with tuned pipes. They were rockets on the downhill.. I was using an Enya and some were using Supertigers.. In order to get a more constituent speed on my Enya I had gone to an 11x8 prop which pulled better in the loops and stall turns but it was not meant to be a piped engine.. It was long stroked compared to the Rossi's and Webra's.. I scored poorly because of the perception factor it didn't lok right compared to all the screamers.. LOL little did I know the trend would change to lower revs. and loading the engine.. I do not recall the exact yea<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>r the board and members pushed for the rule change to allow up to 1.20 4 cycles.. I also do not remember the exact year the whole displacement restriction was dropped in favor of the 2m rule to become the limiting factor.. Thanks for asking Jim.. Best wishes to you.. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Del <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>---- James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Del, I don't remember that 4 cycle motors were ever disallowed. The oldest rule book I have is 84-85 which restricted 4 cycle motors to 1.22 cu in FAI and a 50% calculation in AMA.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jim <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Del via NSRCA-discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:35 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>; General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>AGAIN ~~ Please realize my words should not be considered as a personal attack on any one individual.. the thoughts of many and often those in power and control lead a mind set that feed and created what we have today. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>1.) The first major step was allowing 4 cycle to enter in the fray.. The justification being presented at that time was Rossi and Webra's where mostly used. Opening the field to 4 cycle would mean new manufacturers to make more<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>---- Del via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Yes all I can and will be glad to when I have enough time to draft it in the ASAP and no later than sometime tomorrow. Many of the items will be repeats that have been aired before but as long as asked for clarification I will be glad to share.. it does span many years and not a dig for any current officers but to all past voting members and past board members that pushed their agendas. It will take my old mine time as I am not as creative as I once used to be.. lol.. <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>Del <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>---- cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Can you explain that response?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Date: 11/6/16 8:32 PM (GMT-06:00)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: Scott McHarg <a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank"><scmcharg@gmail.com></a>, General pattern discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>, <a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Ya do so<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Jonathan W. Bruml <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Techstyles Sportswear<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_____________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 2:14 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>To: General pattern discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>, <a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank"><drykert2@rochester.rr.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Del,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Please enlighten us about "the decisions that the board was making" and what those consequences were that caused a decline. Please be specific. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Sunday, November 6, 2016, Del via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I realize this is beating the dead horse that all ready left the barn... But guys.. you were all warned of the consequences of the decisions that the board was making and the agenda the NSRCA was taking.. Granted many felt for the best of the sport it needed to have those changes made.. They didn't want to look at the down side of those changes.. that is unfortunate.. But unless a lot of time and some money is spent getting more clubs interested in hosting pattern contest you are not going to stimulate pattern to the degree you desire.. Many beginners are not about to drive hundreds of miles to a pattern contest they know little about and don't know if they have any interest. A close by field hosting a pattern event that catches a newcomers eye will hook them if they see it and wish they could do that.. That is what drove many to join pattern.. seeing some of us competing or practicing our skills and said to themselves ~~~ Dang ~~ that guy is pretty good.. Wonder what it takes t<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>o <o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>be like that... Then you have someone hooked.. But driving away the little people who were the food sores for future growth was a killer and having clubs fall away from hosting was the 2nd killer.. How many are going to make the investment and commitment if only two or 3 events are held in easy driving distance for many that have all kinds of demands of family and other commitments on their time.. Those that get hooked make changes in their time commitments to participate as much as they can.. But the sport has to be visible to a portion of the modelers that all ready fly to grow IMHO..<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Del<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>---- Pete Cosky via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Keith I didn t know you and I were members at the same club..LOL<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Seriously the conversation of growing pattern and what we can do and <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>what is<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>a good idea keeps coming up but the one thing overlooked in most<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>conversations is the slice of the pie. I have to say Anthony and Chuck <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>hit<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>the nail on the head. No matter what we are competing against other<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>interests and demands on time.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Growing Pattern we talk about introducing people to it and making it<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>easier to attract new blood but we lose sight that this discipline, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and make<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>no mistake it is a discipline, only appeals to a very few that not <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>only want<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>to challenge themselves but then also get ranked against others to see <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>how<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>well they are progressing. It isn t for everyone. Making it too hard <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>is an<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>issue but so is dumbing it down to the point that people get bored or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>its<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>too big of a jump from the introductory class to Intermediate.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Stopping the exodus of competitors There is NOTHING that will make <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>people<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>stay, life changes and so do priorities. I love pattern and made a lot <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>friends that I miss but I haven t flown a pattern plane in 3 years let <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>alone<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>practiced a sequence. I didn t even put up a single RC flight this <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>year. My<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>son is 10 and has no desire to fly RC so guess what dad doesn t go to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>field and miss the baseball game, the Tae Kwon Do testing or even <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>playing<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>catch in the yard. My job has changed and that was the start but John <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>not<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>wanting to fly was the hammer blow that finally stopped my participation.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Priorities I don t even go to my local club meetings anymore (for a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>myriad<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>of reasons other than time). When John is a little older and dad is <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>not cool<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>anymore I can see me flying again.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I will say this and then I will go play catch with John:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Moving the NATS or any other idea may or may not be a good idea but <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nobody<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>knows until we try. If anyone on this list says an idea is bad then <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>you have<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>given up before you even tried and that is the same as saying I m not <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>going<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>to the contest because I might not place first.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Do I personally think removing the weight limit is bad? Yes I do.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Do I personally think moving the NATS is a bad idea? No I do not.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Do I personally think Anthony should not have bought a smoker and just <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>used<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>a barbecue grill? Yes and he know that. :-)<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Guys, I wish I was more active and had the time, but the answers <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>aren t in<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>fighting or quitting but in trying different things. I have found a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>million<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>ways to fail in my life and I have also found as many ways to succeed <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>but<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>that is only because I tried.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hope to see you all in the coming years.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Pete<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>From: NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org></a> on <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>behalf<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>of Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Reply-To: Keith Hoard <a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank"><klhoard@outlook.com></a>, General pattern <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Date: Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 11:53 AM<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>To: 'cahochhalter' <a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><cahochhalter@yahoo.com></a>, 'General pattern discussion'<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I can t even convince the members of my club to obtain the skills <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>necessary<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>to keep from crashing into the pits every third flight . . .<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>So pattern is way out . .<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>-Keith Hoard<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com">klhoard@outlook.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>From: NSRCA-discussion <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>On<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Behalf Of cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 09:44<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>To: W Anthony Abdullah <a href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank"><aabdu@sbcglobal.net></a>; General pattern <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>So if we turn pattern in more of a spectator sport wr will attract <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>more<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>pilots.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>No one has addressed how the hobby itself has changed. The building of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>pla<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>es is gone. 3D, helis, quads, fpv and our general ama focus is no <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>where near<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>pattern. Pattern is about the indiviual who decides they want to be <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>better,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>its personal. Its attracting local pilots with other local pattern<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>individuals thats keepa it going. It's not a magazine article, a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>scoreboard,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>the Nats, or the NSRCA.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Until we as individuals take responsibility for growing pattern and <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>dont<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>place blame on an organization such as the NSRCA for trying to keep up <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>with<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>change and no one knows the answer.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>No one has mentioned poor judging at Nats, biased judging, lack of<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>commitment to an event where at yhe end of the week the same few <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>people are<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>left to judge finals and then people complain about the lack of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>selection as<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>some districts obviously are more commited than others so the judging <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>pool<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>is loaded for different parts of the country.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Comments made online about the success of ensuring some pilots made <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>finals in masters so they dont judge fai.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Do these things not hinder participation in pattern due to the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>negative<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>perception of events and lack of effort to address them.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Moving the nats isnt going to fix anything, but it might bring a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>breath of<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>fresh air into a sport that is stagnant.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Maybe mixing in spa / cpa would allow some cross over between <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>disciplines,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>might both organizations grow?<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>From: W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Date: 11/6/16 9:12 AM (GMT-06:00)<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>To: John Gayer <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank"><jgghome@comcast.net></a>, General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I like the scoreboard idea. Perhaps we need to make pattern more of a<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>"show". Big jet events and even our annual club big bird fun fly has <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>an<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>announcer. Imagine Michael Buffer announcing the pilot and calling the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>next<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>maneuver over the PA system <JK>. We don't need to go all WWF but a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>little<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>showmanship wouldn't hurt. Imagine baseball without announcers.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Mark A, don't you dare nominate me as the permanent "color" man. :o)<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>On Nov 5, 2016, at 6:45 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>The Contest board has already received a number of proposals to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>change the<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>rules.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>There are three that pertain to this discussion:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>1. Proposal to eliminate the advancement criteria and allow <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>contestants to<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>step backwards in class at the end of the year<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>2. Elimination of the weight rule for Sportsman, Intermediate and <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Advanced<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>3. Eliminate the box requirements for Sportsman<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I suggest that if you have opinions on these proposals, that you <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>find out who<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>your representative is, and make your opinion known. It seems clear <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>that there<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>are some making an attempt being made to address some of the issues. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Any AMA<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>member can propose a rule change. If you feel strongly about any of <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>suggestions made in this thread, I suggest you propose a change that <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>you feel<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>would positively impact pattern.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Other ideas.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Something that has been done by the NSRCA is introduction of the Club Class.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Personally I do not feel that it would be appropriate to add a class <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>at<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>pattern contests. However it would be a great vehicle for running a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>pattern<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>seminar for your area. Come up with some drawing prizes, some <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>pattern guys to<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>help, someone to cook some hot dogs for lunch, someone(s) to run a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>seminar on<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>"what is pattern" and finish up with a couple rounds of club class. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Make it an<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>annual event and make sure the word gets to all the clubs in your area.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Another thing that needs to be done is to have a real scoreboard. A <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>large<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>scoreboard. This is essential for any spectators most of which are <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>RC flyers<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>with no or little exposure to pattern. Without a way to tell what is <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>going on<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>and who is doing it, a spectator will watch two flights and leave very bored.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>The scoreboard should have:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>1. Pilots Name<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>2. Photo of pilot and Model<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>3. Scores by round with both raw and normalized scores<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>4. Current standing in class<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>5. Handouts available for:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>* What is pattern including explanations of the classes<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>* Ribbons and Aresti of the sequences being used and explanation <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of scoring,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>k-factors and normalization<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>* How about pilot Bios?<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>6. There needs to be someone designated to support the board if you <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>have much<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>traffic.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>How about a Senior award like IMAC does at local contests? The NSRCA <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>used to<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>do this at the NATs but it seems to have faded away.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>John<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>mailing<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Scott A. 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