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Since the 5000+50 gram weight rule applies to both FAI and AMA
Masters and any reasonable rule change proposal regarding removal of
the weight limitation would apply only to AMA classes below Masters
and since the airframe designers will design only for the two top
classes, how could there possibly be any impact on new designs?<br>
Is there any impact on designs right now while the only weight
checks in this country are done at the Nats? I don't see it.<br>
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The only <u>possible</u> impact to removing the weight limitation
on lower classes is that someone <u>may</u> come to the Nats in
Intermediate or Advanced that would have stayed home. Isn't looking
at ways to increase Nats paticipation where this thread started?<br>
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John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/2016 2:54 PM, Atwood, Mark via
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<pre wrap="">In both cases though these were FAI rules that were also mirrored by AMA. FAI had a 10cc displacement limit ( .61cu in) and allowed for a 20cc FS.
The 2M rule was already in place, along with the 5Kg weight rule, long before the elimination of the displacement rule, so that was not a trade off. It just provided “room” for the planes (already 2m in length and width) to grow in volume and height. Right now weight is the only thing keeping that in check. Eventually (with no weight limit) the 2M box would indeed be the final restriction, but not before we see another evolution of larger aircraft.
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On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Del via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:
Hi Jim..
Well I don't intentionally not reply to anyone asking me f/u if your query doesn't not appear in the top of message addressed to me expect I will not realize it is directed at me..
That time frame Jim goes back to the 70's when largest engines allowed were .60 sized displacement. The feeling was to open it up to then weak 4 cycle would help stimulate more selection. I do not have any of my old reg. books from that time frame.. But there used to be a rule no larger than 60 size engine which dictated how big and large the planes could become to fly competitively.. Why many went for the screamers in Rossi's and Webra's with tuned pipes. They were rockets on the downhill.. I was using an Enya and some were using Supertigers.. In order to get a more constituent speed on my Enya I had gone to an 11x8 prop which pulled better in the loops and stall turns but it was not meant to be a piped engine.. It was long stroked compared to the Rossi's and Webra's.. I scored poorly because of the perception factor it didn't lok right compared to all the screamers.. LOL little did I know the trend would change to lower revs. and loading the engine.. I do not recall the exact yea
r the board and members pushed for the rule change to allow up to 1.20 4 cycles.. I also do not remember the exact year the whole displacement restriction was dropped in favor of the 2m rule to become the limiting factor.. Thanks for asking Jim.. Best wishes to you..
Del
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From: NSRCA-discussion [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Del via NSRCA-discussion
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>; General pattern discussion
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AGAIN ~~ Please realize my words should not be considered as a personal attack on any one individual.. the thoughts of many and often those in power and control lead a mind set that feed and created what we have today.
1.) The first major step was allowing 4 cycle to enter in the fray.. The justification being presented at that time was Rossi and Webra's where mostly used. Opening the field to 4 cycle would mean new manufacturers to make more
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<pre wrap="">Yes all I can and will be glad to when I have enough time to draft it in the ASAP and no later than sometime tomorrow. Many of the items will be repeats that have been aired before but as long as asked for clarification I will be glad to share.. it does span many years and not a dig for any current officers but to all past voting members and past board members that pushed their agendas. It will take my old mine time as I am not as creative as I once used to be.. lol..
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From: Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
Date: 11/6/16 8:32 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] My Head is Spinning
Ya do so
Jonathan W. Bruml
Techstyles Sportswear
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To: General pattern discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><drykert2@rochester.rr.com></a>
Del,
Please enlighten us about "the decisions that the board was making" and what those consequences were that caused a decline. Please be specific.
On Sunday, November 6, 2016, Del via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> wrote:
I realize this is beating the dead horse that all ready left the barn... But guys.. you were all warned of the consequences of the decisions that the board was making and the agenda the NSRCA was taking.. Granted many felt for the best of the sport it needed to have those changes made.. They didn't want to look at the down side of those changes.. that is unfortunate.. But unless a lot of time and some money is spent getting more clubs interested in hosting pattern contest you are not going to stimulate pattern to the degree you desire.. Many beginners are not about to drive hundreds of miles to a pattern contest they know little about and don't know if they have any interest. A close by field hosting a pattern event that catches a newcomers eye will hook them if they see it and wish they could do that.. That is what drove many to join pattern.. seeing some of us competing or practicing our skills and said to themselves ~~~ Dang ~~ that guy is pretty good.. Wonder what it takes t
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<pre wrap="">be like that... Then you have someone hooked.. But driving away the little people who were the food sores for future growth was a killer and having clubs fall away from hosting was the 2nd killer.. How many are going to make the investment and commitment if only two or 3 events are held in easy driving distance for many that have all kinds of demands of family and other commitments on their time.. Those that get hooked make changes in their time commitments to participate as much as they can.. But the sport has to be visible to a portion of the modelers that all ready fly to grow IMHO..
Del
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<pre wrap="">catch in the yard. My job has changed and that was the start but John
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<pre wrap="">wanting to fly was the hammer blow that finally stopped my participation.
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<pre wrap="">Priorities I don t even go to my local club meetings anymore (for a
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<pre wrap="">of reasons other than time). When John is a little older and dad is
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<pre wrap="">anymore I can see me flying again.
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<pre wrap="">fighting or quitting but in trying different things. I have found a
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<pre wrap="">I can t even convince the members of my club to obtain the skills
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<pre wrap="">to keep from crashing into the pits every third flight . . .
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<pre wrap="">So pattern is way out . .
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<pre wrap="">So if we turn pattern in more of a spectator sport wr will attract
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