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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yeah jeez. I guess it’s time we stopped being such a
secret society. I like the idea of sport modeler friendly maneuver schedules. Like
I said, this WAS the original intention of the Sportsman schedule but it
somehow drifted away from that slightly. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Guys, how about if we come up with 2 new <NON RULEBOOK>
schedules for the masses. I worked on the sequence committee a few years ago –
I would be willing to do it again for this stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What kind of low-cost promotional materials / handouts can we
come up with? Over the Winter most clubs have a show and tell session at their
meetings. This would be a good time to spark people’s interest with this
stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks John…..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>My thoughts were not intended for any one individual to
try….but perhaps the NSRCA could figure out a way to address the
difficulty of all the patterns in order to globally promote activity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Or….sort of a ‘try it, you’ll like it’
second set of class(s) of maneuvers aimed at club members across the
country….and leave the existing classes alone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>If this could be done…..NSRCA members of these clubs could
bring the new maneuver series to club meetings to promote Pattern activity in
general.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>I think a grass roots effort could be made in this or a similar
way…..and I believe that the NSRCA should take the lead on something like
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Several months ago a guy came to one of the local clubs and gave
a huge promotion about FPV drone racing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>I’ve never seen such a huge presentation….stickers,
hats, shirts, promises of new members…etc etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry - poor choice of words there. I get your point. As I said
in one of my earlier posts: people first attempting to fly a Pattern sequence
(usually Sportsman although I’ve seen some try to start out in
Intermediate) struggle with the box “concept”. It’s big
hurdle for some people. The way I usually deal with it is to tell them that
they won’t crash if they break the box. It’s just an imaginary line
that the plane doesn’t even care about. Most will continue to work
through it and eventually succeed. In any case they become a better pilot. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What the heck try whatever you think will work and let us know
how it goes. We don’t need to create an “official” sequence
just to get people started. That was actually the original intention of the
Sportsman Sequence. It was (maybe it still is?) a “provisional” class.
That’s why it’s not flown at the Nat’s. It’s
“easy” for an experienced Pattern pilot but if you think that you
can get more people into Pattern by trying some of the things that you
suggested then by all means go for it. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><img width=91 height=39 id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:image001.png@01D213ED.F4706830" alt=idslogo2><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>It isn’t about ‘dumbing down’….it is all
about making it easier for new guys to actually feel that they can fly the
maneuvers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Once they get started…likely they will continue on to
upper classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t see what is so hard to understand about
this…..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>All we have to do is make it hard enough and just keep on doing
what we are doing so no one will enter any more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Then the problem will be solved once and for all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Great insight. I remember going through many of the same things
back in 2004 when I first got into Pattern. I started with a super Kaos 40 that
I scratch built in a week. I showed up at my first contest and thought: what
the heck happened to Pattern planes – that’s not what I
remember seeing a the last contest I watched (OK it was WAY before 2004 when I
went to a pre-turnaround Pattern Contest as a spectator).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It seems like we still have the same “problems”. Hmm.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m glad that you agree that dumbing down the sequences is
not the answer. I think that the current 401 schedule with the mandatory box
exits is fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Maybe we can take advantage of this newfangled thing called the
internet to spread the word about Pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Surely some of you guys have the skills and resources required
to put together a video clip or two…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=91 height=39 id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.png@01D213ED.F4706830" alt=idslogo2><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Dunlap via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ed Alt; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>So, here's a voice from a newbee. only mr. sportsman this year....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I've been building and flying pattern airplanes for about 15
years. All largely self-taught and have come to realize that this was entirely
the wrong way to get into pattern flying. Thankfully, a couple of NSRCA guys
took me underwing and taught me how to fly and setup an airplane over these
last two years. I now realize that you can't just buy an airplane, put it
together, and expect to have a properly performing airplane. I think that
there are a couple of barriers to bringing on new pilots. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Problems new pilots face.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>1) New pilots need structured guidance on what kind of
airplane they should buy. The airplane needed for sportsman and intermediate is
vastly different than the one you need for higher classes. Yet, the commercial
message is that if you buy the fancy, hotshot airplane you'll have one that
flies great out of the box. Wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Solution: NSRCA should have a recommend equipment list for sportsman
and intermediate. There needs to be a baseline make and model of airplane that
new pilots should consider. NSRCA could publish standards and manufacturers
that comply could get a "NSRCA seal of approval." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>2) Pattern type planes are hard to setup properly and even
harder to figure out if the plane is flying right. So even if you get an
"approved airplane" it's going to fly like a brick without proper
setup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Solution: NSRCA should publish basic education about how to
setup control surfaces, find CGs, and most importantly articulate how a
properly setup plane should fly. Then, have NSRCA designate formally a cadre of
"instructor pilots" who would be available to test fly and set up
airplanes that come with the "seal of approval."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>3) Once you have a properly setup airplane, you need to fly it
within the box and you need a person to instruct you. How's about using the
instructor pilots from #2? Doesn't have to be a full time job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Solution: NSRCA Districts publish a list of instructor pilots and
match them to students wanting to learn to fly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I am totally opposed to dumbing down the sequences or neutering
them. Learning to fly sportsman is a great deal of fun and teaches you all of
the fundaments you will need. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I know some people point to the drones and short attention spans,
but I would point to the fact that we don't have a "teach, learn, and
fly" infrastructure that captures and holds new fliers. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Just a couple of thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Ken Dunlap<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>
NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
on behalf of Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> W Anthony Abdullah; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Good suggestions. It has something a bit in common with the
Pattern Primers that we do in D1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Your comments below started me thinking about this issue in a new
and creative "out of the box" way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>How about this (stick with me now);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>What we sorta know:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>1. Pattern is more of a participant than spectator sport.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>2. The true fun and value can only really be appreciated if you go
to a contest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>3. Pattern makes you a better pilot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>4. Pattern only appeals to a select few in a given club, our
growth depends on exposing pattern to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>5. Human beings are naturally self centered (that's why
facebook/my space exists)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Possible approach:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Take pattern on the road, to the masses like the traveling air
shows of the past.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Say 2017 is the year of the traveling pattern contest. Say in D4
we visit a local active club, for example my club, the Flying Pilgrims of
Canton Mi. 2 months prior to the 1 day event we go to the club meeting and
present as follows;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>- want to have fun<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>- get your plane trimmed out and mixed so it will fly its best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>- improve and test your skills<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>- win a great keepsake and bragging rights<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>- meet great people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Then come to the pattern contest. It would be part fun fly part
pattern contest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Lower classes would vote on and select their own maneuvers, almost
like building an unknown. Any plane would be legal. There would be mini
contests within the contest (best landing, best roll, best finish, etc), and
pretty much any other creative idea to make it fun. We would collect
participant data and follow up with them as well as publish a Nats News kind of
contest report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>The goal wouldn't be to create a new event, but to share the joys
of a contest in a low stress fun environment with enough people that we pick up
the 2 or 3 that will be the future if the sport. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>People rob banks because "that's where the money is", if
we want to grow, perhaps we have to take pattern where the pilots are, instead
of waiting for them to come to us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Your thoughts?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
On Sep 20, 2016, at 2:37 AM, David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Even if we are recognized……the interested person is
likely going to be a modeler who already is aware of Pattern.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t think any assets or time should be wasted in trying
to get non-modelers-flyers interested in Pattern.</span><span style='color:
black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>As others have said…it’s booooring…like
watching paint dry.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>There are plenty of modelers who already know how to fly but are
never going to try Pattern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>In the past….retaining flyers is a larger problem than
attracting new flyers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Over the years the entry count dwindled to what it is
now….extremely low.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Why???</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>There are a lot of reasons but in my opinion….the most
prominent are…..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Turnaround style of maneuvers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Ever increasing difficulty of maneuvers.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Some clubs resistance to an event that locks up the field for 2
days……or even 1 day….for a crummy $50 or so donation to the
club from entry fee residue.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>As others have repeatedly said…..expense. I really
don’t buy this because Pattern has ALWAYS been expensive…this is
nothing new.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>If a club flyer is interested enough to try Pattern….he
will find a way to justify the expense.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>The same flyers always win, place or show. </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>After years of trying…many flyers drop out because they
know they do not have a chance of taking home any wood….yes, I know,
practice more….true to a point.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Judging…..well…..we all know about this
subject….but I know this causes many flyers to drop out.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>All of this is nothing new….it has been hashed over
hundreds of times….but as Scott said….nothing keeps on happening.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>I think that the NSRCA should try something radically
new….like change all classes below Masters to non-Turnaround maneuvers.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Fly what you bring….up to 30 lbs.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Remove all integrated maneuvers from Masters class.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Have radically fewer contests in an effort to get the entrant
count much higher at each contest as a way to help club members justify a
non-flying weekend.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Hopefully a large crowd will attract club members to
Pattern……6 guys flying for two days ain’t gonna attract
anything but hard feelings from club members who just want to fly their stick.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>If changes similar to the above could be tried….perhaps
club members should be allowed to sport fly along with the contestants.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>This at the least would remove the club members ‘lost
weekend’ and perhaps change the attitude of some clubs.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>;
General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span
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background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue'>The
original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do
something" to actually get people to recognize us. DRL got ESPN and,
while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started
from something and somewhere. Do we need ESPN? While nice, the
answer is no. I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting
potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety. The
discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we
do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those
ideas. There have been some pretty good ones in this thread. Maybe
it's time we acted. Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the
acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own
contacts.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#3333FF'>Scott A. McHarg</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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background:white'><span style='color:black'>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA
Part 107<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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