<div dir="ltr">Pattern contests aren't as fun as they used to be. As attendance drops, contestants have to work more. At contests, you're either flying, calling, or judging. No time left to visit with people you don't get to see every day. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM, blotch44026--- via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Stopping the bleeding would be a good start. NSRCA had around 1500 members back in the late 90's. What is membership at now? Lost a whole district last year.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Rick <div><div class="h5"><div><br><blockquote style="color:black;padding-left:5px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;margin-left:0px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,255);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <u></u>
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<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I always thought the reason why we went to turnaround Pattern in
the first place was to reduce our “footprint” and to minimize noise. This was
back when we had 60’s and tuned pipes (the good old days) Now that the average Pattern
plane makes less noise than a freaking butterfly I guess it could become an
option (no turnarounds) but I don’t think that’s necessary. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">One thing that we tried in D1 was to have an informal / loosely
judged competition with small electric planes. We opened this to ANYONE
although I don’t think any nn Pattern pilots ever entered. It was fun but we stopped
doing it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">See the REAL “problem” is that, as you said, we’re losing people
faster than we’re attracting new ones. Just retaining people is good and
certainly necessary but it just stops the bleeding. You DO need to get new
people interested but as I’ve said that’s about 1 out of every 10 that has just
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> NSRCA-discussion
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Scott McHarg'; 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Even if we are recognized……the interested person is likely going
to be a modeler who already is aware of Pattern.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">I don’t think any assets or time should be wasted in trying to
get non-modelers-flyers interested in Pattern.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">As others have said…it’s booooring…like watching paint dry.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">There are plenty of modelers who already know how to fly but are
never going to try Pattern.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">In the past….retaining flyers is a larger problem than
attracting new flyers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Over the years the entry count dwindled to what it is
now….extremely low.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Why???<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">There are a lot of reasons but in my opinion….the most prominent
are…..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Turnaround style of maneuvers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Ever increasing difficulty of maneuvers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Some clubs resistance to an event that locks up the field for 2
days……or even 1 day….for a crummy $50 or so donation to the club from entry fee
residue.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">As others have repeatedly said…..expense. I really don’t buy
this because Pattern has ALWAYS been expensive…this is nothing new.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">If a club flyer is interested enough to try Pattern….he will
find a way to justify the expense.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">The same flyers always win, place or show. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">After years of trying…many flyers drop out because they know
they do not have a chance of taking home any wood….yes, I know, practice
more….true to a point.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Judging…..well…..we all know about this subject….but I know this
causes many flyers to drop out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">All of this is nothing new….it has been hashed over hundreds of
times….but as Scott said….nothing keeps on happening.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">I think that the NSRCA should try something radically new….like
change all classes below Masters to non-Turnaround maneuvers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Fly what you bring….up to 30 lbs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Remove all integrated maneuvers from Masters class.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Have radically fewer contests in an effort to get the entrant
count much higher at each contest as a way to help club members justify a
non-flying weekend.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Hopefully a large crowd will attract club members to Pattern……6
guys flying for two days ain’t gonna attract anything but hard feelings from
club members who just want to fly their stick.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">If changes similar to the above could be tried….perhaps club
members should be allowed to sport fly along with the contestants.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">This at the least would remove the club members ‘lost weekend’
and perhaps change the attitude of some clubs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott
McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>; General pattern
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original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do
something" to actually get people to recognize us. DRL got ESPN and,
while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started
from something and somewhere. Do we need ESPN? While nice, the
answer is no. I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting
potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety. The
discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we
do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those
ideas. There have been some pretty good ones in this thread. Maybe
it's time we acted. Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the
acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own
contacts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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