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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">We’re Pattern Pilots. We don’t “try” anything! In the words of a
Jedi Master: “Do or do not, there is no ‘try’!” </span><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Seriously I think we’re all trying to promote Pattern. Every
time we help someone get an engine running correctly or figure out an electric
power system problem at the club field we’re promoting Pattern. When we teach someone
to fly we’re promoting Pattern. When one of us DESTROYs the club hot-shot at a Fun-Fly,
we’re promoting Pattern. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The reality is there will probably never be a lot of Pattern
Pilots. There’s something wrong with us (I mean that in a “good” way). We know
it and they know it. All we can do is let people know who and where we are and
encourage the ones who show some interest to join us. I think most of us are
already doing that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter
Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 5:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott McHarg; Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">And I think it's important to
*try stuff* some things will work, others will fail, trying to predict which
will or won't work on opinion is crazy. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 2:13 PM
-0700, "Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">The
original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do
something" to actually get people to recognize us. DRL got ESPN and,
while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started
from something and somewhere. Do we need ESPN? While nice, the
answer is no. I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting
potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety. The
discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we
do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those
ideas. There have been some pretty good ones in this thread. Maybe
it's time we acted. Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the
acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own
contacts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Atwood, Mark via
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<p class="MsoNormal">That was going to be my exact point… that there are millions
of golfers, all of whom DO keep score and are attempting the same precision as
the pro’s. They may not fully realize the level of skill required, but
they have a good idea, and a complete understanding of the objective. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sport flyers are not an equal comparison. They have
nothing to measure against, nor are they making any effort to meet any sort of
flying standard, so other than landing… there’s nothing familiar about pattern.
There will never be a big audience. Our target has to be
the group of people that want to become better precision pilots (they do exist)
and make them aware that Pattern is the way to get there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Stuart Chale via
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">And more importantly a lot of
people play it and realize how good those guys (and gals) really are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Just a quick Google of number of
people that played golf in the US per year. Not sure of the accuracy but
between 25 and 29 million. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">That's only about 25 to 29 million
more than there are pattern fliers. Taking rounding errors into account
of course :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Stuart<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On 9/19/2016 4:22 PM, John Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s because there’s lots
of $$$ involved in Pro Golf.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Vogel, Peter via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 3:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Fuqua; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That's
an excellent point. Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet it's on
TV *a lot*. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"><nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org></span></a> on
behalf of John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></span></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 12:51:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I like to compare it to pro
golf. Unless you have played you have no idea of the difficulty.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">That I would agree with. It's like
watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs. watching the same loop with an
explanation of downgrades like, wings not level, entry and exit altitude
changes, and overall roundness. It's that understanding that increases the respect
and interest in said maneuver.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">That fact notwithstanding, pattern
still is not a big spectator sport. It just takes a special sort of person to
appreciate it. Most people have the same response my nephew has... Whatever...<br>
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On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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color:purple">However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns
are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:purple">> I have thought about that before. Other
than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to judge skating.
Same > for most folks watching us fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:purple">Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key
is the commentary. Helping people to understand what they are watching
for and to build a mental "relationship" with the competitors so they
feel the same highs and lows as the competitor does during the flight.
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color:purple">That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class
competition, with expert commentary and color commentary from someone familiar
with (but not necessarily at the world class judging level). Then market
that demo with ESPN, etc. and get it out there virally on YouTube.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:purple">At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics
with me doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of
the most popular demos (right next to turbines) and gets great feedback from an
audience of over 1000.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM,
Phil via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:purple">However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns
are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating. I have thought
about that before. Other than the skater falling over, I would have no
idea how to judge skating. Same for most folks watching us fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></strong><br>
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was speaking in terms of how exciting it is to watch, not the
"performance" itself. Figure skating is closer to IMAC
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