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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>It isn’t about messing up the sequence….it’s all about attracting more participation by pilots who think they can actually have a chance of flying the maneuvers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Randy Forbus [mailto:Rforbus@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Harmon <k6xyz@sbcglobal.net>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I don't agree to do away with turnaround below the masters , I enjoy screwing up the advanced sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>That’s correct John….but back then there were….let’s say….60 entrants to almost every contest.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>These days with electric power….noise is no longer a concern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I think our problem is to a large extent….the difficulty of flying Pattern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Let’s face it guys….flying Pattern is DIFFICULT.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>It takes dedication….you cannot just buy your way into the event with hardware and be successful.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Years ago….there were no ARF’s…..a Pattern style airplane had to be built…..then you had to learn to fly it…if you could get the engine to run.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This was difficult to say the least…..but the Patterns were much easier than today.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Today the situation is totally reversed. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>E-power is like a light switch…..it runs perfect every time and when you shut it off there is no maintenance. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>There are no Pattern kits that I know of…..so most of us fly ARF airplanes that are better than most guys can build.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Today the emphasis is on flying…..not messing around with the hardware.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This is where the modern day ‘difficult’ part comes in.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Pattern maneuvers are just too damn difficult for new entrants to make the jump to the event….even if they already sport fly….attracting non-modelers is a non-starter.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This is the main reason that in my opinion…..the NSRCA should make all AMA classes non-turnaround or at least classes lower than Masters. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Pattern has to be made ‘do-able’ for existing flyers…..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>We need to show these sport flyers that they can actually fly the maneuvers the first time out and that they can quickly build skill and take home some wood.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>That will let many flyers become encouraged enough to get started and stay engaged and perhaps become skilled enough to howl with the big dawgs in FAI.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>For the guys that want to have a continuous challenge to their skills….let them fly FAI….that should keep them busy for a while.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>We cannot just keep on doing the same old same old…….</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Something….anything….needs to be tried to get new entrants and retain existing pilots.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor;border-image: none'><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I always thought the reason why we went to turnaround Pattern in the first place was to reduce our “footprint” and to minimize noise. This was back when we had 60’s and tuned pipes (the good old days) Now that the average Pattern plane makes less noise than a freaking butterfly I guess it could become an option (no turnarounds) but I don’t think that’s necessary. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>One thing that we tried in D1 was to have an informal / loosely judged competition with small electric planes. We opened this to ANYONE although I don’t think any nn Pattern pilots ever entered. It was fun but we stopped doing it.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>See the REAL “problem” is that, as you said, we’re losing people faster than we’re attracting new ones. Just retaining people is good and certainly necessary but it just stops the bleeding. You DO need to get new people interested but as I’ve said that’s about 1 out of every 10 that has just learned to fly. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>L</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=91 height=39 style='width:.9479in;height:.4062in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D2135C.1EDFD430" alt=idslogo2></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor;border-image: none'><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Scott McHarg'; 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Even if we are recognized……the interested person is likely going to be a modeler who already is aware of Pattern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think any assets or time should be wasted in trying to get non-modelers-flyers interested in Pattern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>As others have said…it’s booooring…like watching paint dry.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>There are plenty of modelers who already know how to fly but are never going to try Pattern.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>In the past….retaining flyers is a larger problem than attracting new flyers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Over the years the entry count dwindled to what it is now….extremely low.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Why???</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>There are a lot of reasons but in my opinion….the most prominent are…..</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Turnaround style of maneuvers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Ever increasing difficulty of maneuvers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Some clubs resistance to an event that locks up the field for 2 days……or even 1 day….for a crummy $50 or so donation to the club from entry fee residue.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>As others have repeatedly said…..expense. I really don’t buy this because Pattern has ALWAYS been expensive…this is nothing new.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>If a club flyer is interested enough to try Pattern….he will find a way to justify the expense.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The same flyers always win, place or show. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>After years of trying…many flyers drop out because they know they do not have a chance of taking home any wood….yes, I know, practice more….true to a point.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Judging…..well…..we all know about this subject….but I know this causes many flyers to drop out.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>All of this is nothing new….it has been hashed over hundreds of times….but as Scott said….nothing keeps on happening.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I think that the NSRCA should try something radically new….like change all classes below Masters to non-Turnaround maneuvers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Fly what you bring….up to 30 lbs.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Remove all integrated maneuvers from Masters class.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Have radically fewer contests in an effort to get the entrant count much higher at each contest as a way to help club members justify a non-flying weekend.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Hopefully a large crowd will attract club members to Pattern……6 guys flying for two days ain’t gonna attract anything but hard feelings from club members who just want to fly their stick.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>If changes similar to the above could be tried….perhaps club members should be allowed to sport fly along with the contestants.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This at the least would remove the club members ‘lost weekend’ and perhaps change the attitude of some clubs.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:blue'>The original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do something" to actually get people to recognize us. DRL got ESPN and, while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started from something and somewhere. Do we need ESPN? While nice, the answer is no. I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety. The discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those ideas. There have been some pretty good ones in this thread. Maybe it's time we acted. Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own contacts.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#3333FF'>Scott A. McHarg</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Texas A&M University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>PPL - ASEL<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>