<html><head></head><body><div>And I think it's important to *try stuff* some things will work, others will fail, trying to predict which will or won't work on opinion is crazy. <br><br><div class="acompli_signature">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a></div><br></div><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 2:13 PM -0700, "Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">The original reason I posted this is because we need to really "do something" to actually get people to recognize us. DRL got ESPN and, while there is an obvious attraction to this by young and old, they started from something and somewhere. Do we need ESPN? While nice, the answer is no. I wanted to show all of us that this is what is attracting potential pilots and, for that matter, getting the notoriety. The discussion is usually "why is this happening" instead of what can we do to "Be like Mike" (in this case) and then actually acting on those ideas. There have been some pretty good ones in this thread. Maybe it's time we acted. Let's not leave it up to someone else to do the acting, each one of us can make a difference in our own way and through our own contacts.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div><div>Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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That was going to be my exact point… that there are millions of golfers, all of whom DO keep score and are attempting the same precision as the pro’s. They may not fully realize the level of skill required, but they have a good idea, and a complete understanding
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<div>Sport flyers are not an equal comparison. They have nothing to measure against, nor are they making any effort to meet any sort of flying standard, so other than landing… there’s nothing familiar about pattern. There will never be a big audience.
Our target has to be the group of people that want to become better precision pilots (they do exist) and make them aware that Pattern is the way to get there.</div>
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<div>On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</div>
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And more importantly a lot of people play it and realize how good those guys (and gals) really are.</div>
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Just a quick Google of number of people that played golf in the US per year. Not sure of the accuracy but between 25 and 29 million. <span> </span><br>
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That's only about 25 to 29 million more than there are pattern fliers. Taking rounding errors into account of course :)</div>
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<b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-<wbr>bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">That's an excellent point. Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet it's on TV *a lot*. <u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span>NSRCA-discussion<span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><nsrca-<wbr>discussion-bounces@lists.<wbr>nsrca.org></a><span> </span>on
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I like to compare it to pro golf. Unless you have played you have no idea of the difficulty.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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That I would agree with. It's like watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs. watching the same loop with an explanation of downgrades like, wings not level, entry and exit altitude changes, and overall roundness. It's that understanding that increases the respect
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That fact notwithstanding, pattern still is not a big spectator sport. It just takes a special sort of person to appreciate it. Most people have the same response my nephew has... Whatever...<br>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:purple">Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key is the commentary. Helping people to understand what they are watching for and to build a mental "relationship" with the competitors
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:purple">That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class competition, with expert commentary and color commentary from someone familiar with (but not necessarily at the world class
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:purple">At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics with me doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of the most popular demos (right next to turbines)
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:purple">However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating. I have thought about that before. Other than the skater falling over,
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