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<div>From: "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>
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<div>Date: 9/19/16 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Stuart Chale <schale1@outlook.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>
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<div>That was going to be my exact point… that there are millions of golfers, all of whom DO keep score and are attempting the same precision as the pro’s. They may not fully realize the level of skill required, but they have a good idea, and a complete understanding
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<div class="">Sport flyers are not an equal comparison. They have nothing to measure against, nor are they making any effort to meet any sort of flying standard, so other than landing… there’s nothing familiar about pattern. There will never be a big audience.
Our target has to be the group of people that want to become better precision pilots (they do exist) and make them aware that Pattern is the way to get there.</div>
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<div class="">On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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And more importantly a lot of people play it and realize how good those guys (and gals) really are.</div>
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That's only about 25 to 29 million more than there are pattern fliers. Taking rounding errors into account of course :)</div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">That's an excellent point. Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet it's on TV *a lot*. </span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">I like to compare it to pro golf. Unless you have played you have no idea of the difficulty.</span></div>
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That I would agree with. It's like watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs. watching the same loop with an explanation of downgrades like, wings not level, entry and exit altitude changes, and overall roundness. It's that understanding that increases the respect
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That fact notwithstanding, pattern still is not a big spectator sport. It just takes a special sort of person to appreciate it. Most people have the same response my nephew has... Whatever...<br class="">
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><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">> I have thought about that before. Other than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to judge skating. Same > for most folks watching us fly.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key is the commentary. Helping people to understand what they are watching for and to build a mental "relationship" with the competitors
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class competition, with expert commentary and color commentary from someone familiar with (but not necessarily at the world class judging
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics with me doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of the most popular demos (right next to turbines) and
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Phil via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:purple">Not the "Compulsories", Ed...</span></div>
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