<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I too can agree with whats being said about our first instructors. Never will forget the guys that were influential in my pattern beginnings in the late 60's, Morris Mckenna, Bill Johnston (Owner of Kraft Southeast) , and Ole Tom Stennis. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Lots of old pattern flyers came out of our Southeast I've had the pleasure of knowing, Art Azlin, Steve Helms, Ron Chidgey, Rhett Miller, Doc Edwards, Bruce Underwood, Ed Hartley, Mike Harrison, just to name a few. Really Good Memories !!! <br><br>Jamie<div>Prattville, Alabama</div></div><div><br>On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:19 AM, W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Mine to. The influence of a pilots first instructor is strong. People emulate who they admire, and the admiration for our flying instructors is strong.</div><div><br></div><div>I have forgotten MANY ex-girlfriends, some very wonderful and adventurous, but remember every single person that helped teach me to fly.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 11, 2016, at 12:00 AM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
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Gerber via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 10, 2016 9:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Randy Forbus'; 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: New Club Class for Precision
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Randy,
just curious…how many “new” pilots get to “solo” and become RC flyers in this
300 strong club and….who are the instructors???? Point in issue…forget
about the IMAC guys, become an instructor in the club and teach “new” pilots
how to fly and incorporate some basics of flying so that they have precision
control of their plane…many trainers will do that without a problem…fly
straight and level, do a nice roll…..with them understanding that precision
aerobatics is the best way to learn to fly….it’s called PR with a purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jay Gerber; General pattern discussion<br>
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color:black">I agree, finding new blood so to speak is hard to do, the club I
belong too we are 300 strong, lots of ex pattern guys that do IMAC now
which is ok. Only 5 or 6 of us do the pattern thing, trust me
we know how hard it is to recruit new people, been trying to get the the guys
in IMAC back into pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">To All: (For whatever it’s worth…some thoughts about the
recent heated discussion)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">I’m one of those old guy masters junkies who has been described in
almost every blurb on this list….Let me venture into the discussion as I am
passionate about the future and survival of Precision Aerobatics. Aside
from the note to the list to sell some of my planes in the middle of this
heated discussion….I did make an earlier comment regarding the effectiveness of
an event like the RCWC championships to foster the interest of new blood in
pattern…no one seemed to jump on that band wagon and all I’ve heard in
discussion was…the cost of equipment, the difficulty of the schedules, how to
convert “stick bangers” to pattern…not one word about growing the hobby and
teaching precision aerobatics from the early days of learning to fly.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">Point in issue…I mentored a young man in our local club who was a
competent flyer…3D stick banger as I call them with the question, would he like
to learn how to do Precision Aerobatics…after some demonstration, this question
was met with enthusiasm and I offered to give him a Giles 202 (bought by me
from Ron Chidgey years ago) if he decided to compete…..lesson one….”Austin”…fly
a straight line from point A to point B and then back again….he could not do
it…this went on until he gave up and bought a used 40% biplane from a deceased
member, ripped the tail off “stick banging”…I helped him repair it….and gave up
on flying a straight line.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">Point in issue again….it’s really hard to take an existing flyer
and “convert” them to Precision Aerobatics, depending on age for lots of
reasons everyone has mentioned….it would be easier (no matter how hard) to find
new blood that want to learn to fly and lead them into the world of
PA. Tough of course….but I feel fruitful in the long run, case in point
at the 71 RCWC event…Mark Radcliff AMA district 3 VP is very vocal about the
fact that he saw pattern flying and decided he wanted to learn “that” in
general…just “to fly”…he eventually became a member of the FAI international
competition team (don’t remember the year)….”no matter what the pattern
is”….that can always be adjusted to the situation for everyone. The plane they
fly with can be adjusted to the budget and likes of the flyer what can’t be
adjusted easily is their desire and determination to learn a new skill when
there is so much else for them to do that’s both fun, easier than PA and
challenging at the same time….aka…stick banging…...now sadly, FPV quadcopters
competition.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">I was devastated when my “Austin” decided that he didn’t want to
worry about learning how to fly in a straight line…..</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">OK…at 84 ¾…I’ve done my Precision Aerobatics…Andy was over here to
buy some stuff yesterday and we talked about the Aeroguidance Society 60th
contest and my winning in the 90’s in the Advanced category, interestingly I
had the computer score sheet readout and there were 22 pilots in that category
alone…Dave Lockhart won FAI and George Asteris (my mentor) won Masters…I forget
who the Sportsman guy was. I look at the schedules now and yes they are
tougher but it’s all about wanting to learn the skills necessary to do these
new maneuvers…..adjusting the schedules in some clever way will not make any
difference to anyone as far as I’m concerned (maybe get some old flyers back
into PA)….you are catering to those that are already there and not getting new
blood into the sport. As to the schedules, at our club in Sarasota, a new
flyer must demonstrate a roll, a loop and a few other things that are simple
but this can be adjusted to do that roll in a way as to emulate a good score
because it was on line, even and centered….that can easily be taught during the
learning process…..we have youngsters that do their check ride and are signed
off after 3 or 4 flying sessions….</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">I remember flying at the Sarasota RC field with George Asteris and
we were doing our patterns, Masters and George FAI some years ago….a couple of
the club members came up to us and said that was so “pretty” they wanted to
learn how to do that…again….PR, PR, PR….and give of yourself to teach.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">If you have the attention of “new” possible RCers……teach them to
fly, be their buddy, help them improve their skills by gently suggesting
certain flight characteristics….”keep the outboard wing level”, etc…..it will
take lots of time and work but it will pay off with new blood…..Example…..I
remember Don Szczur many years ago and him getting Joseph into it at an early
age…issue in point…</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">Grow them into flying and pattern from the start….the other
already RCers will come on board on their own to test their skills….PR, PR,
PR…..</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">Hey, those score sheets from 1992 should be worth something….sort
of like the Dead Sea Scrolls… </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">If any of this made sense….I’m happy… </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black">Jay</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> W Anthony Abdullah; General pattern discussion; Xavier Mouraux<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Atwood, Mark<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">From: W Anthony Abdullah
via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Date: 9/8/16 4:24 PM
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">To: Xavier Mouraux <<a href="mailto:xaviermouraux@yahoo.com">xaviermouraux@yahoo.com</a>>, General
pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Cc: "Atwood,
Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>,
General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Every few years or so we
recycle this conversation with the same suggestions made, any on occasion a few
rule changes. None of which, by the way, seem to resolve the issue. I wish I
had an answer, unfortunately all I can add is a few observations and my
opinion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">FWIW here is my .02;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- I often think about the
people I used to see all the time at contests, of the ones I used to fly
against in intermediate and then advanced, they seemed to thin out either when
they got to Masters or just before. As I think of my own ascension, I'm in a
bot of a quandary myself. I am a fairly competent advanced pilot, if I practice
a few weeks I'm even competitive, but that's about the limit of my natural
ability. Don't get me wrong, If I practiced 4 days a week I could fly Masters
safely but I'm NEVER going to win. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">So here is my reality,
fly advanced competently on a decent amount of practice, as a hobby and still
enjoy my other interests (there are many) and have a LOT of fun at contests.
But feel like a schmuck as people I used to judge in intermediate are nipping at
my heels, or worse, dominated by me (the advanced lifer). Or give up everything
else I enjoy doing in the summer (fishing, cycling, camping, golf, working out,
remodeling my house, movies, nothing), practicing until my fingers bleed, just
so I can be competitive and not win. OR just fade away like so many others once
they hit the Masters meat grinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- As far as keeping down
the cost of pattern, I don't think that has ever been the problem. The Piedmont
Focus was supposed to have resolved that issue, yet here we are. Boxer Bob
Fortino proved that a basic plane and tons of practice was a recipe for
success. He was a fixture at contests and even won Advanced at the nats, but
faded away once he moved to Masters, hmmmm. I believe our problem is more systemic
than that. I think our dwindling numbers are more about a shift in the makeup
of society than it is about cost. We are no longer a tough, diligent,
determined, competitive culture. We are spoiled and soft as hell. We want
immediate gratification and if we don't find immediate success we quit. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">So what do we do about
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- support the hobby and
nurture true interest when we see it. Pattern guys are cut from a different
cloth, when someone shows interest help them out. I have met great ambassadors
for the hobby<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- like the NBA, perhaps
we should consider contraction. Perhaps 1 contest a month in a district, that
way each contest is more of an event like a mini nats. This might also
encourage more cross district participation. I know if there were just 4 events
a summer I sure as hell wouldn't want to miss one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- Continue to promote
pattern (obviously)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">- Selective breeding, the
Atwoods (Sean <sp>), Jeskys (Andrew, Robert), Szczur (Joseph), and
Pritchetts (Grayson), seem to be doing a great job. Perhaps pattern pilots are
born not made. JK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Long story short, we are
prolly going to have to think about this a different way.<br>
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On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Xavier Mouraux via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<b>To:</b> Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a>>;
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:44 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">Especially to the last part. One day event, and maneuvers
any club guy past the beginner stage can try. <br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">Changing to 1 loop and 1 roll would be improvements.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">No cash.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">Suggest ½ Reverse Cuban Eights and Stall Turns as appropriate
turnarounds, but no enforcement of the box. The box IS intimidating and
simply flying aerobatic maneuvers centered is challenging for many very
competent sport pilots…..heck….flying a straight line is challenging for many
competent sport pilots.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">Instant gratification is one of the biggest challenges we face in
recruiting new pattern pilots – and it is not just the kids that want instant
gratification….many of those “kids” are now in their late 20s and older.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">The perceived cost is a legitimate problem….and actual cost is a
legitimate problem. However, the highest level of competition equipment
will always be expensive (at any size) and in general is more expensive as it
gets bigger. And the top dog setup is what will always be viewed by
outsiders as the level of equipment needed. Cost is an excuse for a
few…..it is an excuse because instead of flying pattern, they are flying giant
scale 3D and turbines that cost 1 – 4 times as much as pattern planes.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">As Mark Atwood said….most people in a given sport or hobby do not
enter competitions. It is because of pressure, it is because of lack of
practice time, and it is because of ego…..plenty of hot shot pilots don’t want
to put themselves in a position where they don’t win and can’t claim to be the
best.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">Limiting the size, weight, cost, power, etc, of the entry level
class sounds great…but it is counter-productive. We want the guy flying a
DLE 30 cc 3D plane….we want the guy flying a 10S 78” Extra….we want the guy
that picked up an old 120 4C pattern plane because it had cool retracts…..lots
of those planes are in the hands of potential pattern pilots and we do not want
to exclude them. The entry level class should be “run what you brung” so
long as the noise level is reasonable and safety concerns do not arise.
It is also counter-productive because hand me down planes are not available.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
color:black">The Club Class as is, in maneuver content, is not unlike
Sportsman, Novice, Pre-Novice, etc…..sequences used in the past. Part of
what was wrong with those sequences in the past was that at some point they
were treated as a FULL class and not as ENTRY level or INTRODUCTION
level. And they were continually mucked with….needlessly adding variety
(to entertain the upper classes who were bored watching the same old thing),
and generally adding complexity (difficulty creep) making the bar to entry
higher. The entry level or introduction class should not be flown at the
NATs, not have a District Champion, and should be 1 day only. At two day
events, each day is a separate contest for the Club Class – this reduces the
time commitment and takes away the excuse of not being able to make it both
days. Club class should be a class virtually every club member working the
grill, working registration, scribing, or running scores could fly in with half
the planes they have in their car or at their house.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";
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Dave</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">This is a note from Jon Carter from the NSRCA BoD. FYI!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:14.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Whether you want to call it Club
class or Novice class or whatever, it’s OK, as long as we get more people
flying pattern! What is this? Good question, we have heard from the membership
that it would be nice for the NSRCA to define a non-rulebook pattern entry
level event that a CD could offer if they so decided. This would be a
non-turnaround “old-school” type of pattern that any club flyer could do and
yet still be challenged by. It will give the CD the opportunity to grab some of
the “hot dog” type sport flyers at his club, and maybe some old time pattern
pilots, and hand them a maneuver/downgrade sheet and say “come on out to the
pattern contest next weekend and see what you can do!” Who knows, if he can get
three or four club flyers to come out maybe some will think, “Hey, this is fun!
I could learn that Sportsman pattern” Worst case it will get some more club
flyers to participate in local events which always makes it easier to “sell” a
pattern contest to the local club officers! So, dust off those older pattern
planes and those sport planes and come out and have some fun! Look on the NSRCA
website under the Sequence tab for the maneuver list and descriptions.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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