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<div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Kevin Duncan...I think that's a great idea !!</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div><div id="SignatureBox" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic;">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone</div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">------ Original message------</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>From: </b>KEVIN DUNCAN via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Date: </b>Wed, Sep 7, 2016 5:36 PM</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>To: <
/b>General pattern discussion;</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Cc: </b></div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics</div><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></div></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">Back in March 2016, I submitted an article in K-Factor addressing this issue. You'll find it under District 7. It may be of interest for you all to go back and re-read it. After getting to know the Classic Pattern Association guys here on the west coast, I felt that we could possibly incorporate the CPA into our lower classes of pattern.</p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr">Curious to know your all's opinion on that since we're already discussing our ideas here.</p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr">
Kevin</p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><div id="Signature" dir="ltr">Kevin Duncan<a href="mailto: duncanbp@msn.com"> duncanbp@msn.com</a> </div><br><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" dir="ltr"><hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org< a="">> on behalf of Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion </nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<></a><a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org< a="">></nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Simes; Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics</font><div dir="ltr"> </div></div><div dir="ltr"
><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">Remember the effect of the 2% biplane bonus at TOC. Everyone flew a biplane after that.<br>Also remember TOC started as a pattern contest but wasn't exciting enough. At least a score bonus gives a pilot a chance and wouldn't be a very difficult experiment for us.<br>To steal a line from Mike"we have to do something even if it is wrong."<br>Lots of complaining hasn't gotten us anywhere. <br>Anthony</p><p dir="ltr">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a><br></p><br><br><br><div class="x_gmail_quote" dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:15 PM -0400, "Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion"<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><br></div></div><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt"><div class="PlainText" dir="ltr"><br>What about offering some kind of reasoned and documented scoring bonus<br>in the feeder classes for using s
maller aircraft?<br><br>On 09/07/16 12:07, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>> Mike's right. It won't work because a few can afford the 2M modern planes<br>> and if one can have it, they all must have it.<br>> <br>> *Scott A. McHarg*<br>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<br>> Texas A&M University<br>> PPL - ASEL<br>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<br>> <br>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion <<br>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> You are correct but human nature gets in the way. Making a rule to limit<br>>> this fixes a lot of issues. These smaller planes fly very well. Got to<br>>> create rules that perpetuate less expense and less difficulty, just being<br>>> voluntary is not gonna work.<br>>><br>>> Mike<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>
> *From:* Matthew Finley [<a href="mailto:rcfin02@msn.com">mailto:rcfin02@msn.com</a>]<br>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:28 PM<br>>> *To:* Dr. Mike Harrison <a href="mailto:<drmikedds@sbcglobal.net"><drmikedds@sbcglobal.net< a="">>; General pattern</drmikedds@sbcglobal.net<></a><br>>> discussion <a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org< a="">>; 'Scott McHarg' <</nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<></a><br>>><a href="mailto: scmcharg@gmail.com"> scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br>>> *Subject:* RE: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> My thoughts are this, and only in my opinion.... I have the choice to fly<br>>> any aircraft I choose in any class I choose as long as it is under 11<br>>> pounds, and no larger than 2 meter ( that's also pretty loose, as I have<br>>> never seen a scale taken out at a regul
ar meet for 13 years or more). If<br>>> someone wants to go out and buy a 6s or 8s capable aerobatic bird, and fly<br>>> Sportsman, Intermesiate, Advanced, masters, or even FAI with it, go for it.<br>>> We all know that it will be smaller thus harder to judge, maneuvers will be<br>>> smaller, and etc.... But they are not required to have a 2 meter ship. I<br>>> don't see why a rule change has to be implemented in those regards as that<br>>> is the way it is now ??<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Matthew E Finley<br>>><br>>> Q.C.I Technical Assistant<br>>><br>>> <a href="tel:248-794-8487">248-794-8487</a> mobile<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -------- Original message --------<br>>><br>>> From: "Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion" <<br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-di
scussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>><br>>> Date: 9/7/16 2:38 PM (GMT-05:00)<br>>><br>>> To: 'Scott McHarg' <a href="mailto:<scmcharg@gmail.com"><scmcharg@gmail.com< a="">>, 'General pattern discussion' <</scmcharg@gmail.com<></a><br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>><br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> I am hesitant to get in this discussion but I want to express that I<br>>> believe we are in significant decline and I opine that it is because of the<br>>> expense, complexity and difficulty of flying and competing. The<br>>> fundamental reason, I believe, is the cost, complexity and burden of time<br>>> to simply use the current aircraft. I have drafted but not submitted a<br>>> rules change to affect that issue.<br>>><br>>>
Fundamentally, I submit that the beginning classes be restricted to<br>>> smaller aircraft with limitations of powerplant sizes.<br>>><br>>> The existing current pilots flying in those classes have their current<br>>> aircraft grandfathered in.<br>>><br>>> These classes would be sportsman, intermediate, and advanced.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> If you would research the cost of aircraft w 22volt systems vs our current<br>>> systems you will find the cost of smaller aircraft to be ¼ to 1/3 the cost<br>>> of the current 2m plane.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> The vast majority of parents will not spend $<a href="tel:4000-5000">4000-5000</a> for their kid to<br>>> compete a few times in the beginning classes, nor commit a monthly expense<br>>> of $200+ or whatever to maintain. And then there is the crash and destroy<br>>> $1000’s in one aircraft. Even adults won’t commit
to that kind of expense<br>>> themselves.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> There is more to this but that is the basic underlying cause of the<br>>> disease.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Mike<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [<a href=""></a>mailto<a href="mailto::nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="mailto:<nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org< a="">>] *On Behalf Of *Scott McHarg</nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<></a><br>>> via NSRCA-discussion<br>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:49 AM<br>>> *To:*<a href="mailto: tretas513@yahoo.com"> tretas513@yahoo.com</a>; General pattern discussion <<br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>> *Subject:* R
e: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Mr. Lukas and I were having an offline conversation. We were discussing<br>>> why the new guys aren't getting into pattern. The question, essentially,<br>>> was what's the difference between those getting into other facets vs.<br>>> pattern. This is my opinion and will be part of my article this month in<br>>> the K-Factor:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> The answer I'm about to give you makes it sound like all is lost. I don't<br>>> believe it is (which is why we came up with the Club sequence) but let's<br>>> just stick to what we know and what is obvious from the assumption<br>>> standpoint for a moment.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> The answer to your question can be one word only or it can be a million<br>>> adjectives
of the same word. That word is "cool". The kids coming up want<br>>> instant gratification, want to be cool, want notoriety, want to be thought<br>>> of as the kid who can show off the best. You simply can't do that with<br>>> pattern. Have you watched the fingers of these kids that fly 3D at Joe<br>>> Nall or IRCHA? They're slamming sticks. Then, watch the planes /<br>>> helicopters and see how much of the stick movement actually equates to<br>>> control over the aircraft. Half of the time is spent simply recovering<br>>> from mistakes. :)<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> For some reason, the world has changed into a Social Media frenzy. Kids<br>>> feel like they're missing out if we as parents threaten to take away their<br>>> phones as punishment. Kids don't need to go outside to talk to friends<br>>> because they can do it on the couch with thei
r phones. They want instant<br>>> gratification and instant knowledge. Most of the time, their friends know<br>>> what's going on before other people at the event know because of this.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Pattern is nothing like this mentality at all. Pattern takes a lot of<br>>> practice (as you know) and patience and set up and checking to make sure<br>>> everything is perfect. Practicing is boring unless you're doing it.<br>>> There's no "wow factor". In my opinion, THIS is what we're battling. In<br>>> pattern, you actually have to fly the aircraft perfectly. There's no gyro<br>>> to make you look better (Quads, Helicopters and Drones), there's not that<br>>> much of an adrenaline rush (until you're in front of the judges) and<br>>> there's no screen to stare at like in FPV racing. Pattern is an art and it<br>>> takes that special person, the gu
y that wants to be artistic, to be a<br>>> pattern pilot. Our costs are high for the best of the best which all of<br>>> these kids want. They don't want a 1980 Super Kaos to learn the skills<br>>> required. In almost all other facets, you can have quite good equipment,<br>>> that is accepted by their peers, for a lot less than what it would take to<br>>> have a "not bottom of the line" pattern plane.<br>>><br>>><br>>> *Scott A. McHarg*<br>>><br>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<br>>><br>>> Texas A&M University<br>>><br>>> PPL - ASEL<br>>><br>>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:40 AM, tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion <<br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Most pattern fliers know
why pattern is declining but won't admit it...too<br>>> much expense, too much time invested for practice and traveling, and in my<br>>> opinion (and a lot of others) turnaround sucks !<br>>><br>>> Flying airplanes and competing is supposed to be fun...it used to<br>>> be...still is in SPA !!<br>>><br>>> My entire SPA airplane ready to fly costs half what the engine in my 2<br>>> meter cost and most SPA contests are one day meets...no motels !!<br>>><br>>> Disclaimer: just my opinion !!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone*<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------ Original message------<br>>><br>>> *From: *Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion<br>>><br>>> *Date: *Wed, Sep 7, 2016 8:40 AM<br>>><br>>> *To: *Jas S;<br>>><br>>> *Cc: *General pattern discussion;<br>>><br>>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-disc
ussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> 😎<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Jas S <a href="mailto:<justanotherflyr@gmail.com"><justanotherflyr@gmail.com< a="">> wrote:</justanotherflyr@gmail.com<></a><br>>><br>>> Isn't that like hearing a Masters pilot say the roll on the top of a loop<br>>> shouldn't be in Masters lol. Love ya Gary<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion <<br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Sportsman isnt easy enough ????<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Not sure how it could get more basic ..<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> But wat ever works lord knows we need something to attract new blood or<br>>
;> bring old blood back...<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> G<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <<br>>><a href="mailto: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> All,<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> This is a note from Jon Carter from the NSRCA BoD. FYI!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Announcing the NSRCA “Club Class!<br>>><br>>> Whether you want to call it Club class or Novice class or whatever, it’s<br>>> OK, as long as we get more people flying pattern! What is this? Good<br>>> question, we have heard from the membership that it wou</div></span></font></div></div></div></div>
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