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<p dir="auto">Remember the effect of the 2% biplane bonus at TOC. Everyone flew a biplane after that.
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Also remember TOC started as a pattern contest but wasn't exciting enough. At least a score bonus gives a pilot a chance and wouldn't be a very difficult experiment for us.
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To steal a line from Mike"we have to do something even if it is wrong."<br>
Lots of complaining hasn't gotten us anywhere. <br>
Anthony</p>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:15 PM -0400, "Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion"
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What about offering some kind of reasoned and documented scoring bonus<br>
in the feeder classes for using smaller aircraft?<br>
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On 09/07/16 12:07, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
> Mike's right. It won't work because a few can afford the 2M modern planes<br>
> and if one can have it, they all must have it.<br>
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> *Scott A. McHarg*<br>
> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<br>
> Texas A&M University<br>
> PPL - ASEL<br>
> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion <<br>
> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br>
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>> You are correct but human nature gets in the way. Making a rule to limit<br>
>> this fixes a lot of issues. These smaller planes fly very well. Got to<br>
>> create rules that perpetuate less expense and less difficulty, just being<br>
>> voluntary is not gonna work.<br>
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>> Mike<br>
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>> *From:* Matthew Finley [<a href="mailto:rcfin02@msn.com">mailto:rcfin02@msn.com</a>]<br>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:28 PM<br>
>> *To:* Dr. Mike Harrison <drmikedds@sbcglobal.net>; General pattern<br>
>> discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; 'Scott McHarg' <<br>
>> scmcharg@gmail.com><br>
>> *Subject:* RE: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>
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>> My thoughts are this, and only in my opinion.... I have the choice to fly<br>
>> any aircraft I choose in any class I choose as long as it is under 11<br>
>> pounds, and no larger than 2 meter ( that's also pretty loose, as I have<br>
>> never seen a scale taken out at a regular meet for 13 years or more). If<br>
>> someone wants to go out and buy a 6s or 8s capable aerobatic bird, and fly<br>
>> Sportsman, Intermesiate, Advanced, masters, or even FAI with it, go for it.<br>
>> We all know that it will be smaller thus harder to judge, maneuvers will be<br>
>> smaller, and etc.... But they are not required to have a 2 meter ship. I<br>
>> don't see why a rule change has to be implemented in those regards as that<br>
>> is the way it is now ??<br>
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>> Matthew E Finley<br>
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>> -------- Original message --------<br>
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>> From: "Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion" <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
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>> Date: 9/7/16 2:38 PM (GMT-05:00)<br>
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>> To: 'Scott McHarg' <scmcharg@gmail.com>, 'General pattern discussion' <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>
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>> I am hesitant to get in this discussion but I want to express that I<br>
>> believe we are in significant decline and I opine that it is because of the<br>
>> expense, complexity and difficulty of flying and competing. The<br>
>> fundamental reason, I believe, is the cost, complexity and burden of time<br>
>> to simply use the current aircraft. I have drafted but not submitted a<br>
>> rules change to affect that issue.<br>
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>> Fundamentally, I submit that the beginning classes be restricted to<br>
>> smaller aircraft with limitations of powerplant sizes.<br>
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>> The existing current pilots flying in those classes have their current<br>
>> aircraft grandfathered in.<br>
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>> These classes would be sportsman, intermediate, and advanced.<br>
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>> If you would research the cost of aircraft w 22volt systems vs our current<br>
>> systems you will find the cost of smaller aircraft to be ¼ to 1/3 the cost<br>
>> of the current 2m plane.<br>
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>> The vast majority of parents will not spend $4000-5000 for their kid to<br>
>> compete a few times in the beginning classes, nor commit a monthly expense<br>
>> of $200+ or whatever to maintain. And then there is the crash and destroy<br>
>> $1000’s in one aircraft. Even adults won’t commit to that kind of expense<br>
>> themselves.<br>
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>> There is more to this but that is the basic underlying cause of the<br>
>> disease.<br>
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>> Mike<br>
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [<a href=""></a>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott McHarg<br>
>> via NSRCA-discussion<br>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:49 AM<br>
>> *To:* tretas513@yahoo.com; General pattern discussion <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>
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>> Mr. Lukas and I were having an offline conversation. We were discussing<br>
>> why the new guys aren't getting into pattern. The question, essentially,<br>
>> was what's the difference between those getting into other facets vs.<br>
>> pattern. This is my opinion and will be part of my article this month in<br>
>> the K-Factor:<br>
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>> The answer I'm about to give you makes it sound like all is lost. I don't<br>
>> believe it is (which is why we came up with the Club sequence) but let's<br>
>> just stick to what we know and what is obvious from the assumption<br>
>> standpoint for a moment.<br>
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>> The answer to your question can be one word only or it can be a million<br>
>> adjectives of the same word. That word is "cool". The kids coming up want<br>
>> instant gratification, want to be cool, want notoriety, want to be thought<br>
>> of as the kid who can show off the best. You simply can't do that with<br>
>> pattern. Have you watched the fingers of these kids that fly 3D at Joe<br>
>> Nall or IRCHA? They're slamming sticks. Then, watch the planes /<br>
>> helicopters and see how much of the stick movement actually equates to<br>
>> control over the aircraft. Half of the time is spent simply recovering<br>
>> from mistakes. :)<br>
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>> For some reason, the world has changed into a Social Media frenzy. Kids<br>
>> feel like they're missing out if we as parents threaten to take away their<br>
>> phones as punishment. Kids don't need to go outside to talk to friends<br>
>> because they can do it on the couch with their phones. They want instant<br>
>> gratification and instant knowledge. Most of the time, their friends know<br>
>> what's going on before other people at the event know because of this.<br>
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>> Pattern is nothing like this mentality at all. Pattern takes a lot of<br>
>> practice (as you know) and patience and set up and checking to make sure<br>
>> everything is perfect. Practicing is boring unless you're doing it.<br>
>> There's no "wow factor". In my opinion, THIS is what we're battling. In<br>
>> pattern, you actually have to fly the aircraft perfectly. There's no gyro<br>
>> to make you look better (Quads, Helicopters and Drones), there's not that<br>
>> much of an adrenaline rush (until you're in front of the judges) and<br>
>> there's no screen to stare at like in FPV racing. Pattern is an art and it<br>
>> takes that special person, the guy that wants to be artistic, to be a<br>
>> pattern pilot. Our costs are high for the best of the best which all of<br>
>> these kids want. They don't want a 1980 Super Kaos to learn the skills<br>
>> required. In almost all other facets, you can have quite good equipment,<br>
>> that is accepted by their peers, for a lot less than what it would take to<br>
>> have a "not bottom of the line" pattern plane.<br>
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>> *Scott A. McHarg*<br>
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>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<br>
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>> Texas A&M University<br>
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>> PPL - ASEL<br>
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>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<br>
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>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:40 AM, tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br>
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>> Most pattern fliers know why pattern is declining but won't admit it...too<br>
>> much expense, too much time invested for practice and traveling, and in my<br>
>> opinion (and a lot of others) turnaround sucks !<br>
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>> Flying airplanes and competing is supposed to be fun...it used to<br>
>> be...still is in SPA !!<br>
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>> My entire SPA airplane ready to fly costs half what the engine in my 2<br>
>> meter cost and most SPA contests are one day meets...no motels !!<br>
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>> Disclaimer: just my opinion !!<br>
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>> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone*<br>
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>> ------ Original message------<br>
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>> *From: *Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion<br>
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>> *Date: *Wed, Sep 7, 2016 8:40 AM<br>
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>> *To: *Jas S;<br>
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>> *Cc: *General pattern discussion;<br>
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>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics<br>
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>> 😎<br>
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>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Jas S <justanotherflyr@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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>> Isn't that like hearing a Masters pilot say the roll on the top of a loop<br>
>> shouldn't be in Masters lol. Love ya Gary<br>
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>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br>
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>> Sportsman isnt easy enough ????<br>
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>> Not sure how it could get more basic ..<br>
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>> But wat ever works lord knows we need something to attract new blood or<br>
>> bring old blood back...<br>
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>> G<br>
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>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <<br>
>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br>
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>> All,<br>
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>> This is a note from Jon Carter from the NSRCA BoD. FYI!<br>
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>> Announcing the NSRCA “Club Class!<br>
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>> Whether you want to call it Club class or Novice class or whatever, it’s<br>
>> OK, as long as we get more people flying pattern! What is this? Good<br>
>> question, we have heard from the membership that it would be nice for the<br>
>> NSRCA to define a non-rulebook pattern entry level event that a CD could<br>
>> offer if they so decided. This would be a non-turnaround “old-school” type<br>
>> of pattern that any club flyer could do and yet still be challenged by. It<br>
>> will give the CD the opportunity to grab some of the “hot dog” type sport<br>
>> flyers at his club, and maybe some old time pattern pilots, and hand them a<br>
>> maneuver/downgrade sheet and say “come on out to the pattern contest next<br>
>> weekend and see what you can do!” Who knows, if he can get three or four<br>
>> club flyers to come out maybe some will think, “Hey, this is fun! I could<br>
>> learn that Sportsman pattern” Worst case it will get some more club flyers<br>
>> to participate in local events which always makes it easier to “sell” a<br>
>> pattern contest to the local club officers! So, dust off those older<br>
>> pattern planes and those sport planes and come out and have some fun! Look<br>
>> on the NSRCA website under the Sequence tab for the maneuver list and<br>
>> descriptions.<br>
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>> <a href="https://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences">https://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences</a><br>
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>> *Scott A. McHarg*<br>
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>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot<br>
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>> Texas A&M University<br>
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>> PPL - ASEL<br>
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>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107<br>
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