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Wrong question.<br>
The real question is why round at all? Once you allow half point
deductions in the judge's mind, just let them stand.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2016 2:31 PM, John Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt">No
particular
reason was given for the rounding up... They preferred it
versus rounding down.</span>"</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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that sounds like a scientific explanation. Since it makes
no reference to how floating point numbers and quantization
errors actually
work, we’ll have to accept it as fact. </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Scott
Smith via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 01, 2016 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stuart Chale; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI 1/2 points<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I asked that same question and was told:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span
style="font-size:9.5pt">No particular
reason was given for the rounding up... They
preferred it versus rounding down.</span>"</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Stuart
Chale via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some ideas and changes are just plain
stupid! There I
said it :)<br>
<br>
I have always hated the fact that some judging criteria
and downgrades<br>
were different in FAI and AMA. Makes judging which is a
tough job to do<br>
right even tougher. You have to know 2 different sets of
rules and in<br>
the long run only lowers the accuracy of judging, most
likely more so<br>
for the FAI fliers. But that is another can of worms.<br>
<br>
I thought that allowing 1/2 points in FAI sounded like a
good idea, we<br>
are used to it in the rest of the classes. And since the
FAI pilots are<br>
in most part the better fliers they are more likely to
make the 1/2<br>
point errors as compared to the greater inaccuracies
usually seen in the<br>
lower classes.<br>
<br>
But wait an 8.5 becomes a 9, and a 9 is still a 9 ??????<br>
<br>
So just to prove how silly this idea can be I used Scott's
scoring<br>
program and ran a fictitious contest with 2 flyers and 2
rounds. I used<br>
a couple of friends as contestants so to not offend
anyone. I also had<br>
to use the masters sequence as an example, as the program
automatically<br>
rounds up FAI scores.<br>
<br>
Hopefully the PDF files are attached.<br>
<br>
Each flyer received identical scores in each of their 2
flights. AR<br>
received all 7.5's except one maneuver which was an 8.5,
and DL all 8's<br>
. In round 1 scores were not rounded up and in round 2
the scores were<br>
rounded up as they would automatically be done in FAI.<br>
<br>
Look at the files for AR round 1 and DL round 1. It
would seem
pretty<br>
obvious who should win that round and without rounding up
AR gets a<br>
947.75 to DL's 1000.<br>
<br>
Note that every maneuver but one was judged higher for DL.<br>
<br>
Now look at AR round 2 and DL round 2 rounded up. The
same exact judges<br>
scores with only 1 maneuver scored higher for AR, but due
to the<br>
rounding up AR wins the round 1000 to 989.86.<br>
<br>
Now this is the extreme and unlikely to actually happen in
a contest to<br>
this extent but just the fact that it works this way makes
the whole<br>
idea of rounding up ridiculous.<br>
<br>
Is there really an argument that this is a good thing?<br>
<br>
Stuart C.<br>
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