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    Wrong question.<br>
    The real question is why round at all?  Once you allow half point
    deductions in the judge's mind, just let them stand.<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2016 2:31 PM, John Pavlick via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt">No
              particular
              reason was given for the rounding up... They preferred it
              versus rounding down.</span>"</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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            that sounds like a scientific explanation. Since it makes
            no reference to how floating point numbers and quantization
            errors actually
            work, we’ll have to accept it as fact. </span><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
              NSRCA-discussion
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                Behalf Of </b>Scott
              Smith via NSRCA-discussion<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 01, 2016 3:43 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Stuart Chale; General pattern discussion<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI 1/2 points<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I asked that same question and was told:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span
                    style="font-size:9.5pt">No particular
                    reason was given for the rounding up... They
                    preferred it versus rounding down.</span>"</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Stuart
              Chale via
              NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
                target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Some ideas and changes are just plain
              stupid!  There I
              said it :)<br>
              <br>
              I have always hated the fact that some judging criteria
              and downgrades<br>
              were different in FAI and AMA.  Makes judging which is a
              tough job to do<br>
              right even tougher.  You have to know 2 different sets of
              rules and in<br>
              the long run only lowers the accuracy of judging, most
              likely more so<br>
              for the FAI fliers.  But that is another can of worms.<br>
              <br>
              I thought that allowing 1/2 points in FAI sounded like a
              good idea, we<br>
              are used to it in the rest of the classes.  And since the
              FAI pilots are<br>
              in most part the better fliers they are more likely to
              make the 1/2<br>
              point errors as compared to the greater inaccuracies
              usually seen in the<br>
              lower classes.<br>
              <br>
              But wait an 8.5 becomes a 9, and a 9 is still a 9  ??????<br>
              <br>
              So just to prove how silly this idea can be I used Scott's
              scoring<br>
              program and ran a fictitious contest with 2 flyers and 2
              rounds.  I used<br>
              a couple of friends as contestants so to not offend
              anyone.  I also had<br>
              to use the masters sequence as an example, as the program
              automatically<br>
              rounds up FAI scores.<br>
              <br>
              Hopefully the PDF files are attached.<br>
              <br>
              Each flyer received identical scores in each of their 2
              flights. AR<br>
              received all 7.5's except one maneuver which was an 8.5, 
              and DL all 8's<br>
              .  In round 1 scores were not rounded up and in round 2
              the scores were<br>
              rounded up as they would automatically be done in FAI.<br>
              <br>
              Look at the files for AR round 1 and DL  round 1.  It
              would seem
              pretty<br>
              obvious who should win that round and without rounding up
              AR gets a<br>
              947.75 to DL's 1000.<br>
              <br>
              Note that every maneuver but one was judged higher for DL.<br>
              <br>
              Now look at AR round 2 and DL round 2 rounded up.  The
              same exact judges<br>
              scores with only 1 maneuver scored higher for AR, but due
              to the<br>
              rounding up AR wins the round 1000 to 989.86.<br>
              <br>
              Now this is the extreme and unlikely to actually happen in
              a contest to<br>
              this extent but just the fact that it works this way makes
              the whole<br>
              idea of rounding up ridiculous.<br>
              <br>
              Is there really an argument that this is a good thing?<br>
              <br>
              Stuart C.<br>
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