<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>U could have jus said that Derek and kept the masses from getting uproared 😎</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">G <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">The illustrations in the article were for illustrative purposes only... the intent of the article was to point out that there is no way the Bow Tie could be flown in a square and have all the radii the same. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This is accurate, though it might be less confusing (when comparing to an aresti if you do the same drawing but with the circles smaller, within the original square drawing. It will demonstrate the same thing (show that the resulting shape is more rectangular)
but without leaving the confines of the original drawing.
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<div>On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Yep, the diagram in the KFactor was a little misleading. I think this is the correct geometry.
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<div>On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Yes, Stuart, my maneuvers all look much better in PaintShop or PowerPoint than they do in R/C airplane!</div>
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<p>Yup try to draw it with radii. Only if your corners are points (pretty tough on the plane) will the maneuver be square.
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<p>I actually used Corel Draw where I could be sure all radii were equal to see how it should look. Now if I could only fly it that way :)</p>
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<div>The radius locations of the bowtie create a rectangle.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I just read the Judges Chair in the latest K-Factor regarding the Bow Tie in Masters. Their opinion is that the overall shape of the maneuver should
form a rectangle rather than a square. I can’t see how that’s geometrically possible. The center portion of the maneuver has two opposing 45 degree lines. Assuming we want the baseline and top line height the same and we want the maneuver centered, the 45
degree lines mandate an overall square shape. The only way to make a rectangle out of it is to either fly an angle of less than 45 degrees through the center or add short straight lines before and after the 45’s going into the radiuses into the verticals.
The illustration in the K-Factor showing how the Bow Tie should be shaped illustrates this because the center angle lines in their rectangle drawing are clearly less than 45 degrees. The Masters aresti shows the correct overall shape and it’s square.</span></p>
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