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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This would be more clear if it were drawn with the square drawn at the high and low points of the radii just like the double immelmann.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> Charlie Barrera; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bowtie<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is accurate, though it might be less confusing (when comparing to an aresti if you do the same drawing but with the circles smaller, within the original square drawing. It will demonstrate the same thing (show that the resulting shape is more rectangular) but without leaving the confines of the original drawing. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#65646A'>MARK </span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#80BD01'>ATWOOD</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#65646A'>o. (440) 229-2502</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#65646A'>c. 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I think this is the correct geometry. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>…Charlie<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think this will make it more clear. <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><image.png></span><br>On Saturday, July 2, 2016, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>Yes, Stuart, my maneuvers all look much better in PaintShop or PowerPoint than they do in R/C airplane!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus</span></i></strong><b><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></strong><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>SPA L-18, Board Member</span></strong><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Oliver Springs, TN (865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span></strong><br><br></span></i></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>Yup try to draw it with radii. Only if your corners are points (pretty tough on the plane) will the maneuver be square. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>I actually used Corel Draw where I could be sure all radii were equal to see how it should look. Now if I could only fly it that way :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>Stuart C. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>On 7/1/2016 1:49 PM, cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>The radius locations of the bowtie create a rectangle.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>See attached drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>Drawing courtesy of Mark Hunt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#364F67'>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br>Date: 7/1/16 12:35 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: NSRCA <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bowtie <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I just read the Judges Chair in the latest K-Factor regarding the Bow Tie in Masters. Their opinion is that the overall shape of the maneuver should form a rectangle rather than a square. I can’t see how that’s geometrically possible. The center portion of the maneuver has two opposing 45 degree lines. Assuming we want the baseline and top line height the same and we want the maneuver centered, the 45 degree lines mandate an overall square shape. The only way to make a rectangle out of it is to either fly an angle of less than 45 degrees through the center or add short straight lines before and after the 45’s going into the radiuses into the verticals. The illustration in the K-Factor showing how the Bow Tie should be shaped illustrates this because the center angle lines in their rectangle drawing are clearly less than 45 degrees. The Masters aresti shows the correct overall shape and it’s square.</span><span style='color:purple'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Verne Koester </span><span style='color:purple'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:purple'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:purple'>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:purple'><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:purple'><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-- <br>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>