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<p>Robert,</p>
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<p>That's a good question as there probably isn't a realistic method
of knowing. All one can do is get high quality batteries (not
implying yours were not) as they tend to have the more flexible
multi stranded balance wire vs the cheaper stiffer wire that is
usually put onto cheaper packs. The more flexible wire will help
with fatigue issues. I have to tell you that I had sample packs
from some factories that I put outside on my concrete patio as
soon as I cut the shrink wrapper off of them and saw the quality
of the workmanship inside, just unsafe to even have sitting
inside.</p>
<p>I guess the seemingly over concerned user who keeps his packs in
a fire proof canister or sack may be onto something as you really
can't tell when a lead might break off internally and short.
Alternatively, you can cut off the shrink wrap and inspect new
packs and then reshrink wrap them with a clear shrink wrap so you
can see as much inside as possible. The chances of a balance lead
breaking internally and shorting itself and starting a fire is
admittedly minuscule but the price of being wrong can be very high
and I'm just glad everyone there is ok.<br>
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<p>Chris</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2016 5:58 PM, Robert Green
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">i would agree
that this is where something
happened. I wish i knew from looking at hte pack
after pulling it off the
charger that something was wrong. i wonder what a
good warning system would
look like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" color="black"
size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" color="black" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext"> Chris Moon
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, June 13, 2016 2:56
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Robert Green; General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Lipo fire</span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Glad
everyone is ok there Robert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I
have handled and dissected hundreds of different packs
during my time in
business, evaluating samples etc and I can say with
certainty the weakest link
in our batteries are the balance leads and their
connections to the individual
cells. These are very thin wires that typically are
spot soldered to tiny tabs
on the cells and crimped into tiny pin connectors.
Insulation of the balance
wires inside a pack is usually a thin piece of
cellophane looking tape.There is
little to no strain relief for the wires and we handle
and flex them every time
they are charged. I have seen many break off and touch
others creating sparks
and possibly could have lead to fires if they were
pressed together long
enough. I would bet this is what happened to Robert's
pack. The
batteries themselves must pass through pretty rigorous
testing including being
crushed with a metal blade without catching on fire
before they will be
transported from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
These testing documents accompany every large battery
shipment so it is highly
unlikely one would spontaneously combust. With an
older pack, it most
definitely sounds like an internal short of balance
leads.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On
6/13/2016 11:15 AM, Robert Green via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hey guys wanted
to let you know about an
incident I had over the weekend that caused some
high concern. I flew
four flights yesterday, then returned home. I
thought I would go back out
later and fly three more, so I charged three more
batteries. The three
batteries on was planning on using, were flown the
previous day, and were not
overly discharged. I took my kids to the movies as
my wife did not want
to go, and that turned out to be the best thing for
the family. One of my
2014 packs decided that it no longer wanted to live
and decided to catch fire
all by itself. I have always thought that the best
time for these to
catch fire, would be during the charge cycle. This
incident happened
almost an hour after charging the pack. Keep in
mind that after I charged
the pack, there were immediately put into my flight
box for storage until I got
back from the movies. After I took them off the
charger, the batteries
did not see warm in any way, cool to the touch. I
have had these
batteries for two and as far as I can remember -
they where not damaged in any
way. Due to my wifes' heroic action, the house did
not catch on fire like
my toolbox did. She brought them out to the drive
way water on them to
kill the flames. I have been pretty cavalier with
packs, leaving them out
once they are charged and not putting them in
something safe for
storage....those days are done. If this can happen
to a battery sitting
with a stored charge, I will not longer leave my
house or family
unprotected. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I bought a safe
yesterday, but apparently
that may not be the best thing for them either as
the battery give off a gas
and they need to breathe. In other words if you
left them in a safe you
may be creating a bomb scenario. What I did was -
several years ago, I
bought a metal ammo case. I removed 3/4 of the
rubber around the case
allowing for the exchange of air to occur.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If any one has
any other creative ideas on
how they store there lipos, please contribute to
this thread as I think it is
important as a community that we spread the message
that this technology which
has been proven to be safe for the most part also
can be dangerous.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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