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<DIV>Hobby People batteries are the worst for the balance leads breaking loose
at the solder point. Wires to short and stiff.</DIV>
<DIV>Wayne</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Chris Moon via
NSRCA-discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2016 7:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=robcase1@cox.net href="mailto:robcase1@cox.net">Robert
Green</A> ; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo fire</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Robert,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>That's a good question as there probably isn't a realistic method of
knowing. All one can do is get high quality batteries (not implying yours
were not) as they tend to have the more flexible multi stranded balance wire vs
the cheaper stiffer wire that is usually put onto cheaper packs. The more
flexible wire will help with fatigue issues. I have to tell you that I had
sample packs from some factories that I put outside on my concrete patio as soon
as I cut the shrink wrapper off of them and saw the quality of the workmanship
inside, just unsafe to even have sitting inside.</P>
<P>I guess the seemingly over concerned user who keeps his packs in a fire proof
canister or sack may be onto something as you really can't tell when a lead
might break off internally and short. Alternatively, you can cut off the shrink
wrap and inspect new packs and then reshrink wrap them with a clear shrink wrap
so you can see as much inside as possible. The chances of a balance lead
breaking internally and shorting itself and starting a fire is admittedly
minuscule but the price of being wrong can be very high and I'm just glad
everyone there is ok.<BR></P>
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<P>Chris</P>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 6/13/2016 5:58 PM, Robert Green wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">Chris,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">i would agree that
this is where something happened. I wish i knew from looking at hte pack
after pulling it off the charger that something was wrong. i wonder what
a good warning system would look like.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
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color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: windowtext"> Chris Moon
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com</A>]
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 13, 2016
2:56 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Robert Green;
General pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo
fire</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Glad everyone is ok there
Robert.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have handled and dissected hundreds of different
packs during my time in business, evaluating samples etc and I can say with
certainty the weakest link in our batteries are the balance leads and their
connections to the individual cells. These are very thin wires that typically
are spot soldered to tiny tabs on the cells and crimped into tiny pin
connectors. Insulation of the balance wires inside a pack is usually a thin
piece of cellophane looking tape.There is little to no strain relief for the
wires and we handle and flex them every time they are charged. I have seen
many break off and touch others creating sparks and possibly could have lead
to fires if they were pressed together long enough. I would bet this is
what happened to Robert's pack. The batteries themselves must pass
through pretty rigorous testing including being crushed with a metal blade
without catching on fire before they will be transported from
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>. These testing
documents accompany every large battery shipment so it is highly unlikely one
would spontaneously combust. With an older pack, it most definitely sounds
like an internal short of balance leads.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 6/13/2016 11:15 AM, Robert Green via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">Hey guys wanted to
let you know about an incident I had over the weekend that caused some high
concern. I flew four flights yesterday, then returned home. I
thought I would go back out later and fly three more, so I charged three
more batteries. The three batteries on was planning on using, were
flown the previous day, and were not overly discharged. I took my kids
to the movies as my wife did not want to go, and that turned out to be the
best thing for the family. One of my 2014 packs decided that it no
longer wanted to live and decided to catch fire all by itself. I have
always thought that the best time for these to catch fire, would be during
the charge cycle. This incident happened almost an hour after charging
the pack. Keep in mind that after I charged the pack, there were
immediately put into my flight box for storage until I got back from the
movies. After I took them off the charger, the batteries did not see
warm in any way, cool to the touch. I have had these batteries for two
and as far as I can remember - they where not damaged in any way. Due
to my wifes' heroic action, the house did not catch on fire like my toolbox
did. She brought them out to the drive way water on them to kill the
flames. I have been pretty cavalier with packs, leaving them out once
they are charged and not putting them in something safe for storage....those
days are done. If this can happen to a battery sitting with a stored
charge, I will not longer leave my house or family unprotected.
<u5:p></u5:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy"><u5:p></u5:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">I bought a safe
yesterday, but apparently that may not be the best thing for them either as
the battery give off a gas and they need to breathe. In other words if
you left them in a safe you may be creating a bomb scenario. What I
did was - several years ago, I bought a metal ammo case. I removed 3/4
of the rubber around the case allowing for the exchange of air to
occur.<u5:p></u5:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy"><u5:p></u5:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">If any one has any
other creative ideas on how they store there lipos, please contribute to
this thread as I think it is important as a community that we spread the
message that this technology which has been proven to be safe for the most
part also can be dangerous.<u5:p></u5:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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