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<p>Use a small wire tie to bind the balance cable to a power wire.
The wires may still break but it should be outside the battery and
relatively easy to fix. Also less likely to short.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2016 7:14 PM, Wayne Galligan
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<div>Hobby People batteries are the worst for the balance
leads breaking loose at the solder point. Wires to short
and stiff.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Chris
Moon via NSRCA-discussion</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 13, 2016 7:43 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="robcase1@cox.net"
href="mailto:robcase1@cox.net">Robert Green</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General
pattern discussion'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo fire</div>
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<p>Robert,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>That's a good question as there probably isn't a
realistic method of knowing. All one can do is get high
quality batteries (not implying yours were not) as they
tend to have the more flexible multi stranded balance wire
vs the cheaper stiffer wire that is usually put onto
cheaper packs. The more flexible wire will help with
fatigue issues. I have to tell you that I had sample packs
from some factories that I put outside on my concrete
patio as soon as I cut the shrink wrapper off of them and
saw the quality of the workmanship inside, just unsafe to
even have sitting inside.</p>
<p>I guess the seemingly over concerned user who keeps his
packs in a fire proof canister or sack may be onto
something as you really can't tell when a lead might break
off internally and short. Alternatively, you can cut off
the shrink wrap and inspect new packs and then reshrink
wrap them with a clear shrink wrap so you can see as much
inside as possible. The chances of a balance lead
breaking internally and shorting itself and starting a
fire is admittedly minuscule but the price of being wrong
can be very high and I'm just glad everyone there is ok.<br>
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<p>Chris</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2016 5:58 PM, Robert
Green wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy"
size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">i would agree
that this is where something happened. I wish
i knew from looking at hte pack after pulling
it off the charger that something was wrong.
i wonder what a good warning system would look
like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, June 13, 2016 2:56 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
Robert Green; General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo fire</span></font><font
color="black"><span style="COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black"
size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Glad
everyone is ok there Robert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black"
size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have
handled and dissected hundreds of different
packs during my time in business, evaluating
samples etc and I can say with certainty the
weakest link in our batteries are the balance
leads and their connections to the individual
cells. These are very thin wires that
typically are spot soldered to tiny tabs on
the cells and crimped into tiny pin
connectors. Insulation of the balance wires
inside a pack is usually a thin piece of
cellophane looking tape.There is little to no
strain relief for the wires and we handle and
flex them every time they are charged. I have
seen many break off and touch others creating
sparks and possibly could have lead to fires
if they were pressed together long enough. I
would bet this is what happened to Robert's
pack. The batteries themselves must pass
through pretty rigorous testing including
being crushed with a metal blade without
catching on fire before they will be
transported from <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
These testing documents accompany every large
battery shipment so it is highly unlikely one
would spontaneously combust. With an older
pack, it most definitely sounds like an
internal short of balance leads.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
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via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"
color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">Hey
guys wanted to let you know about an
incident I had over the weekend that caused
some high concern. I flew four flights
yesterday, then returned home. I thought I
would go back out later and fly three more,
so I charged three more batteries. The
three batteries on was planning on using,
were flown the previous day, and were not
overly discharged. I took my kids to the
movies as my wife did not want to go, and
that turned out to be the best thing for the
family. One of my 2014 packs decided that
it no longer wanted to live and decided to
catch fire all by itself. I have always
thought that the best time for these to
catch fire, would be during the charge
cycle. This incident happened almost an
hour after charging the pack. Keep in mind
that after I charged the pack, there were
immediately put into my flight box for
storage until I got back from the movies.
After I took them off the charger, the
batteries did not see warm in any way, cool
to the touch. I have had these batteries
for two and as far as I can remember - they
where not damaged in any way. Due to my
wifes' heroic action, the house did not
catch on fire like my toolbox did. She
brought them out to the drive way water on
them to kill the flames. I have been pretty
cavalier with packs, leaving them out once
they are charged and not putting them in
something safe for storage....those days are
done. If this can happen to a battery
sitting with a stored charge, I will not
longer leave my house or family
unprotected. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">I
bought a safe yesterday, but apparently that
may not be the best thing for them either as
the battery give off a gas and they need to
breathe. In other words if you left them in
a safe you may be creating a bomb scenario.
What I did was - several years ago, I bought
a metal ammo case. I removed 3/4 of the
rubber around the case allowing for the
exchange of air to occur.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"
color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: navy">If
any one has any other creative ideas on how
they store there lipos, please contribute to
this thread as I think it is important as a
community that we spread the message that
this technology which has been proven to be
safe for the most part also can be
dangerous.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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