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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Wow- huge concern!  Had no idea these things would catch fire while sitting idle charged.  I've done the same thing by using an ammo box with half the gasket cut away (tried it with gasket removed but the lid rattles too much in travel).  However all the batteries I have sitting around at storage charge are now going into something fire-safe.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Very sorry you had a fire but thankful your wife was there and able to deal with it.  Glad you all are safe without great loss.  And thanks for the reminder not get complacent.  jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Green via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 13, 2016 9:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo fire<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Hey guys wanted to let you know about an incident I had over the weekend that caused some high concern.  I flew four flights yesterday, then returned home.  I thought I would go back out later and fly three more, so I charged three more batteries.  The three batteries on was planning on using, were flown the previous day, and were not overly discharged.  I took my kids to the movies as my wife did not want to go, and that turned out to be the best thing for the family.  One of my 2014 packs decided that it no longer wanted to live and decided to catch fire all by itself.  I have always thought that the best time for these to catch fire, would be during the charge cycle.  This incident happened almost an hour after charging the pack.  Keep in mind that after I charged the pack, there were immediately put into my flight box for storage until I got back from the movies.  After I took them off the charger, the batteries did not see warm in any way, cool to the touch.  I have had these batteries for two and as far as I can remember - they where not damaged in any way.  Due to my wifes' heroic action, the house did not catch on fire like my toolbox did.  She brought them out to the drive way water on them to kill the flames.  I have been pretty cavalier with packs, leaving them out once they are charged and not putting them in something safe for storage....those days are done.  If this can happen to a battery sitting with a stored charge, I will not longer leave my house or family unprotected.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I bought a safe yesterday, but apparently that may not be the best thing for them either as the battery give off a gas and they need to breathe.  In other words if you left them in a safe you may be creating a bomb scenario.  What I did was - several years ago, I bought a metal ammo case.  I removed 3/4 of the rubber around the case allowing for the exchange of air to occur.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>If any one has any other creative ideas on how they store there lipos, please contribute to this thread as I think it is important as a community that we spread the message that this technology which has been proven to be safe for the most part also can be dangerous.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",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