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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Or strain it through a fence….<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jas via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2016 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron <vanputte@cox.net>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Canalisers etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tell hime to hold it in KE instead of tail down where he can kick it ;)<br><br>Jas iP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Ron via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Had the first flight on my new Caelus yesterday and John Fuqua said, I can't figure how to carry this thing without the canaliser poking me in the armpit."<o:p></o:p></p><p>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 10, 2016 9:57 AM, ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This seems like a good time to thank Bryan for designing a plane that doesn't need a canaliser.<br>Perhaps I speak for lots of us that pick up and carry pattern birds.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ron Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>"Jeff via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 10, 2016 12:04:48 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Canalisers etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Tom - <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>You can’t beat a canalizer for making your plane look cool. Your scores will go up about .5 pt per maneuver. Totally worth the effort even if it does nothing, maybe even worth it if it is detrimental. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:jeff@hillanalysis.com">jeff@hillanalysis.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Success isn’t owned. It’s leased, and rent is due every day.</span></i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> J. J. Watt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:42 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p style='background:white;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'>Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'>Here is an RCU thread that goes through some of the various methods of rudder power enhancement. Bryan Hebert will tell you and show you that all those appendages are unnecessary with proper design. His website at <a href="http://ckaero.com/"><span style='color:purple'>ckaero.com</span></a> also has info on this subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'><a href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'>I would like to get back to your part of the world for another visit. So far, retirement keeps getting in the way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF;background:white'>Cheers,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'><br><span style='background:white'>John</span><br style='word-spacing:0px'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'>On 6/9/2016 7:49 PM, Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;word-spacing:0px'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi all,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I hope you are all keeping well in pattern world? Yes-I am still around (lurking) though rarely posting these days.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I would appreciate some feedback on the whole topic of all these appendages that seem to be hanging off the current generation of pattern planes these days. Quite frankly, the purpose of which has me scratching my head.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I am currently in the midst of designing a new model, with which I wish to return to flying and competing. One of my parameters is that anyone should be able to build it from plans, should they chose to do so-and it must reflect current lines and complex shapes-but must meet aerodynamic parameters/requirements first. It will be a challenge-but it can be done.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So just why do we have all this garbage hanging off planes? Are they fixing simple design deficiencies or are we purposely re directing airflows to achieve what?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks for any ideas, thoughts-actual knowledge and opinions!</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tom</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia-Italic",serif;color:#3333FF'><br><span style='background:white'>_______________________________________________</span><br><span style='background:white'>NSRCA-discussion mailing list</span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>