<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Can't kick the tail... Rushed out the door as I sent that lol<br><br>Jas iP</div><div><br>On Jun 10, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">Geez, thanks a lot, I think.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Jas <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com" class="">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Tell hime to hold it in KE instead of tail down where he can kick it ;)<br class=""><br class="">Jas iP</div><div class=""><br class="">On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Ron via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Had the first flight on my new Caelus yesterday and John Fuqua said, "I can't figure how to carry this thing without the canaliser poking me in the armpit."</p><p dir="ltr" class="">Ron Van Putte</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 10, 2016 9:57 AM, ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="">This seems like a good time to thank Bryan for designing a plane that doesn't need a canaliser.<br class="">Perhaps I speak for lots of us that pick up and carry pattern birds.</div>
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<div class="">You can’t beat a canalizer for making your plane look cool. Your scores will go up about .5 pt per maneuver. Totally worth the effort even if it does nothing, maybe even worth it if it is detrimental. </div>
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<div class="">On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:42 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="">
<div class=""><p style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">Tom,</p><p style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">Here is an RCU thread that goes through some of the various methods of rudder power enhancement. Bryan Hebert will tell you and show you that all those appendages are unnecessary with proper design. His website at <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:purple" href="http://ckaero.com/" class="">ckaero.com</a> also has info on this subject.<br class=""></p><p style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class=""><a style="text-decoration:underline;color:purple" href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html" class="">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html</a></p><p style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">I would like to get back to your part of the world for another visit. So far, retirement keeps getting in the way.<br class=""></p><span style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;float:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;display:inline;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">Cheers,</span><br style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class=""><span style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;float:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;display:inline;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">John</span><br style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class=""><br style="font-size:12px;font-family:'georgia-italic';white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-transform:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb( 51 , 51 , 255 );font-style:normal;letter-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb( 255 , 255 , 255 );text-indent:0px" class="">
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<div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif" class="">I hope you are all keeping well in pattern world? Yes-I am still around (lurking) though rarely posting these days.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif" class="">I would appreciate some feedback on the whole topic of all these appendages that seem to be hanging off the current generation of pattern planes these days. Quite frankly, the purpose of which has me scratching my head.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif" class="">I am currently in the midst of designing a new model, with which I wish to return to flying and competing. One of my parameters is that anyone should be able to build it from plans, should they chose to do so-and it must reflect current lines and complex shapes-but must meet aerodynamic parameters/requirements first. It will be a challenge-but it can be done.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif" class="">So just why do we have all this garbage hanging off planes? Are they fixing simple design deficiencies or are we purposely re directing airflows to achieve what?</span></div>
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