<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>In fact, most planes that have the silli thing don't need it. The real question is does it reduce pilot workload and the answer is mayhaps......Rudder and Yaw become more effective but not for reasons many think. The real reason is simple and fundamental. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">If the pilot handles rudder poorly, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference how effective it has become by adding this appendage.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Maybe it looks kool and maybe it doesn't. But it doesn't weigh zero.<br><br><br><div>Matt Kebabjian</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:57 AM, ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>This seems like a good time to thank Bryan for designing a plane that doesn't need a canaliser.<br>Perhaps I speak for lots of us that pick up and carry pattern birds.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><b>From: </b>"Jeff via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 10, 2016 12:04:48 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Canalisers etc.<br>
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<div>You can’t beat a canalizer for making your plane look cool. Your scores will go up about .5 pt per maneuver. Totally worth the effort even if it does nothing, maybe even worth it if it is detrimental. </div>
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<div>On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:42 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<p style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Here is an RCU thread that goes through some of the various methods of rudder power enhancement. Bryan Hebert will tell you and show you that all those appendages are unnecessary with proper design. His website at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="http://ckaero.com/" target="_blank">ckaero.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>also has info on this subject.<br></p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline; COLOR: purple" href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html" target="_blank">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11585841-airflow-visualisation-4.html</a></p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">I would like to get back to your part of the world for another visit. So far, retirement keeps getting in the way.<br></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FLOAT: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Cheers,</span><br style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FLOAT: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">John</span><br style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia-Italic; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(51,51,255); FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">On 6/9/2016 7:49 PM, Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Hi all,</span></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I hope you are all keeping well in pattern world? Yes-I am still around (lurking) though rarely posting these days.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"> </span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I would appreciate some feedback on the whole topic of all these appendages that seem to be hanging off the current generation of pattern planes these days. Quite frankly, the purpose of which has me scratching my head.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">I am currently in the midst of designing a new model, with which I wish to return to flying and competing. One of my parameters is that anyone should be able to build it from plans, should they chose to do so-and it must reflect current lines and complex shapes-but must meet aerodynamic parameters/requirements first. It will be a challenge-but it can be done.</span></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">So just why do we have all this garbage hanging off planes? Are they fixing simple design deficiencies or are we purposely re directing airflows to achieve what?</span></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Thanks for any ideas, thoughts-actual knowledge and opinions!</span></div>
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