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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=black vlink=black><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>With glow or electric, I think my setups have generally pushed the envelope a bit, and I like to test and experiment to find the edge or point of diminishing returns.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Much of the below thread is about optimizing setups….no different than playing with different oil and nitro content, or plugs, compression, let alone exhaust tuning on a 2C. There are a great many electric setups that can easily be duplicated with 100% consistency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Matt, it can be simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I'm running E-Flite motors and Castle ESCs in various applications from a 450 to 160 (3-10S). Other than setting rotation direction and 'Soft start' (my preference) nothing else is needed. This truly is plug and play equipment, if one is content with that. It makes the airplane go, quietly and cleanly, every time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt K via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sounds to me that E-Pattern has gotten about as complicated as Pattern ever was. Even the great Hanno simplified his stuff, at some point realizing that complex pattern planes with tricked out power plants were not his friend. You boys at the top may want to think about that and force mfr$$ to simplify for the rest of the tr00p$$ who fly E-Pattern. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But, of course, it doesn't really matter to me either way. ... ... Pattern to me is a gas!! lol <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>RCMeister<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jas via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br>To: nsrca-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br>Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 10:23 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_1.2_ad1ea645-408e-4b7c-bba8-b37ff4ab7b56"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>With my V3/Hacker Comp 14XL I ran 50-60% brake. On the V4/Kontronic I had to drop the brake down to 15-20% or the rear prop would stop and make an 'auto-rotation' sound on my downlines. I thought it was cool sounding but it was too distracting to fly in competition.<br><br>Sent from my iP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'>davel322@comcast.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The rate of commutation increases as RPM and pole count increase.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If an ESC can commutate at say 180,000 times per minute, it could run a 4 pole motor (geared inrunner like Neu) at 45,000 RPM or a 28 pole motor (some of the Q80s) at 6,428 RPM. In practice, if an ESC can not commutate fast enough, it may still work ok at partial throttle, or it may behave erratically throughout the throttle range – hesitations, stuttering, surging, etc.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dave</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jas via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2016 2:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Only thing is the OS/Futaba esc's don't like 28-pole motors. Not sure why.<br><br>Sent from my iP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>On Mar 1, 2016, at 1:35 PM, David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Hi John….could be but the OS 1100HV and Futaba MC 9100A work great without screeching or any other operational problems.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The brake is very effective and I have had the brake setting adjusted between 50 and 90 on various 2 and 3 blade props as large as a Mejzlik 22 x 12 2 blade and Mejzlik and Falcon 3 blades.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The hand held ‘loader’ is small enough to put into the transmitter case and you can make quick changes at the field between flights without a computer or other hardware.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Both ESC are clones to each other…they look exactly alike except for the mfgrs sticker.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The loader is also clone across both mfgrs and operationally are exactly alike….in fact I have only one loader and use it on both ESC.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>All available at RC Japan….tower does not have them anymore because they said sales was too slow…arrgh</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I am using the Plettenberg Advance motors at 15 degrees timing.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>73</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>K6XYZ</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The reason this is so touchy BTW is because you guys are using sensor-less brushless motors. Commutation takes place in the speed control. This works fairly well when the speed controller is driving the motor. When it’s the other way around however – not so much. I bet if someone came out with a motor that had position sensors and a really expensive speed controller to drive it, more people would get interested in Pattern again… LOL</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><image001.png></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jon Lowe'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Jamie'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This is exactly my experience as well.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jamie <<a href="mailto:jstrong49923@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>jstrong49923@gmail.com</span></a>>; NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>ESC dependent. Castle ESC braking doesn't work well over 30% in my experience, without screeching. I set my OS controller at 65%, and it works fine. Jason goes as high as 90% with an OS. Some other controllers don't work well with braking at all, such as the YEP controllers from HobbyKing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><span style='color:blue'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>