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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Hi John….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I have flown the same motor, ESC and batteries in the same airplane trying to determine of there is any noticeable difference in the air and I cannot tell any difference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Perhaps a timed ground run at partial throttle could determine how much MAH is used from the same battery if the test was repeated at various timing settings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>That would be interesting to see how that turns out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I have used the same equipment at I believe 24 and 20 degrees as well and I could not determine any difference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Perhaps any performance change would only be seen at full throttle…but then…we almost never use full throttle.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>An Eagletree unit might be needed to really look into this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Does anyone have any test data on varying the timing on these motors??<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> John Fuqua [mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 2:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'David Harmon' <k6xyz@sbcglobal.net>; 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We have been running the Pletty at 20 degrees timing. Can you tell me if there is any difference in performance?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2016 12:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>; 'John Pavlick'; 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Hi John….could be but the OS 1100HV and Futaba MC 9100A work great without screeching or any other operational problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The brake is very effective and I have had the brake setting adjusted between 50 and 90 on various 2 and 3 blade props as large as a Mejzlik 22 x 12 2 blade and Mejzlik and Falcon 3 blades.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The hand held ‘loader’ is small enough to put into the transmitter case and you can make quick changes at the field between flights without a computer or other hardware.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Both ESC are clones to each other…they look exactly alike except for the mfgrs sticker.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The loader is also clone across both mfgrs and operationally are exactly alike….in fact I have only one loader and use it on both ESC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>All available at RC Japan….tower does not have them anymore because they said sales was too slow…arrgh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I am using the Plettenberg Advance motors at 15 degrees timing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>73<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>K6XYZ<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The reason this is so touchy BTW is because you guys are using sensor-less brushless motors. Commutation takes place in the speed control. This works fairly well when the speed controller is driving the motor. When it’s the other way around however – not so much. I bet if someone came out with a motor that had position sensors and a really expensive speed controller to drive it, more people would get interested in Pattern again… LOL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=90 height=39 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D173CE.32E43990" alt=idslogo2><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Harmon via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jon Lowe'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Jamie'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This is exactly my experience as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>David Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, OK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jamie <<a href="mailto:jstrong49923@gmail.com">jstrong49923@gmail.com</a>>; NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Braking question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>ESC dependent. Castle ESC braking doesn't work well over 30% in my experience, without screeching. I set my OS controller at 65%, and it works fine. Jason goes as high as 90% with an OS. Some other controllers don't work well with braking at all, such as the YEP controllers from HobbyKing.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>