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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It doesn’t seem that the FAA got the AMA’s memo. Perhaps they should try “please”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Keith Hoard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-klhoard@outlook.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Peter Vogel [mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:25<br><b>To:</b> Keith Hoard <klhoard@outlook.com><br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>; Phil S. <chuenkan@comcast.net>; Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Meeting in Columbus OH on Small UAS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Intimidation isn't the point or the goal. Working together to create an environment where we can enjoy our hobby and the safety of the NAS is maintained is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Will it take a while to iron out the "bugs" in the system (like the guy in Columbus) -- absolutely. And that will require more cooperation between the AMA and FAA to get the FAA to be a little clearer than they are today on the registration web site about when FAA "guidelines" apply and when community based organization safety codes that have been approved by the FAA (we have a letter of understanding that says exactly that) apply. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m sure the FAA was shaking in their boots . . . </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-Keith Hoard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Peter Vogel [mailto:<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2016 20:50<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">klhoard@outlook.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net" target="_blank">chuenkan@comcast.net</a>; Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Meeting in Columbus OH on Small UAS<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You mean the ones who just got the right to fly returned to them as a result of AMA action?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from <a href="https://aka.ms/qtex0l" target="_blank">Outlook Mobile</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM -0800, "Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It doesn’t matter if the gubbermint has their act together . . they hold the trump card. Just ask the clubs around Washington D.C. area.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-Keith Hoard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:-klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">-klhoard@outlook.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2016 20:33<br><b>To:</b> Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>; nsrca-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Meeting in Columbus OH on Small UAS<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>C'mon, Ron. Surely you didn't expect the gummint to have their act together, did you?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>I am also not sure the AMA does, either...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>However, many thanks for the update!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8B8B8B'>Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus</span></i></strong><b><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8B8B8B'><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></strong><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>SPA L-18, Board Member</span></strong><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>(865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span></strong></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>I just attended a FAA meeting at the Columbus, OH Airport on Small UAS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Several AMA members including Mike Barbee and numerous full scale pilots were in attendance.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>The powerpoint presentation was given by:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>John P. Welsh</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Aviation Safety Inspector Maintenance</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Flight Standards District Office</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Great Lakes Region</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>A couple of very important takeaways:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:black'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>He stated that you could not fly above 400 ft even if you are an AMA member. I pressed him on this. He said if you want to fly according to the rules you must stay below 400 ft. If you need to fly above 400 ft, he suggested you apply for a COA. I told him that is not what the AMA is telling us. He said the AMA is not well informed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:black'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>He stated that FPV with a spotter does not meet their requirements even if you are an AMA member. He said FPV flyers must be able to see the plane and not through a video screen.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>This does not surprise me because the Small UAS Certification states this. What AMA is telling us is only their interpretation of their discussions with the FAA.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>The AMA needs to obtain a letter from the FAA that states clearly that AMA members are exempt from all of the requirements for Small UAS and are only required to comply with AMA rules. Every member would need to carry this letter on their person because the FAA is not going to enforce these regulations local law enforcement will. If a police officer sees you flying above 400 ft, he isn’t going to care if you are an AMA member. All he knows is you are flying above 400 ft and the card you’re carrying says you can’t do that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>It is possible this person from FAA is ill informed. However, this person is on the front lines educating local law enforcement, full scale pilots and model airplane enthusiast.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 13004 (20160209) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=200 height=154 style='width:2.0833in;height:1.6083in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6513778381_5569cc985d_m.jpg"><img border=0 width=200 height=136 style='width:2.0833in;height:1.4166in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://googledrive.com/host/0B4LOPeyGAgOJUVJmU1dJMVl6WWc/AcademyModelAeronauticsLogo.png"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>