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Seems like the best way to comply is to stay above 500 feet. Clearly
that would be the case near a populated RC flying field in class g
airspace even though the airspace extends to ground level.<br>
The entire ultralight "aircraft" family appears to have escaped
registration or regulation issues of any kind and are welcomed
throughout class g airspace. <br>
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);"><b>Congested areas.</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"Over
any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any
open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the
highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the
aircraft." The FAA does not define congested area in the FARs or
in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Aeronautical
Information Manual</i>. Interpretations in low-flight
enforcement cases are not consistent for purposes of drafting a
precise definition. Such a determination is usually decided on a
case-by-case basis, and in the cases that we've seen,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>congested</i>has been
interpreted rather broadly. For example, a highway with moderate
traffic was found to be "congested," as was a seaside area where
200 to 300 persons were sitting on the beach or bathing in the
water.</p>
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);"><b>Other than congested areas.</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>In areas that are not
considered congested, but may otherwise contain some population,
you must operate your aircraft at least 500 feet above the
surface. In the circumstance where you are over open water or
sparsely populated areas, you may operate your aircraft at any
altitude, but you must not fly closer than 500 feet to any person,
vessel, vehicle, or structure (including electrical or telephone
wires). This 500-foot minimum distance requirement may be measured
horizontally, vertically, or at a slant angle.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2016 11:28 AM, John Ford via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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I agree with Dan.
<div>Furthermore, the term "navigable airspace" extends up from
the ground. Full-scale airplanes do NOT always have a glass
"floor" of 500 feet, as some would think. </div>
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<div>On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Dana Beaton via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<div>The definition discussion is closed. If it flies in
navigable airspace, it is an aircraft. If the pilot is
not on board, it is a UAS. The term includes the ground
station, support systems and the aircraft itself. They
are taking a systems approach to regulating Small UAS.
RC models are now Small UAS when flown in the NAS. This
is what we have to deal with now, what AMA has to deal
with as they fight to preserve our hobby. We need to get
our heads around the new realities if we are to remain
relevant to hold on to what we can. Respectfully, Dana<br>
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On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Dr. Mike Harrison via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">To
engage the definition of a drone, especially the
way you intend would be suicidal for us. The
misinterpretations would be catastrophic. I would
stay away from such.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Mike
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Hansen via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Paul Lukas' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.lukas@live.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paul.lukas@live.com">paul.lukas@live.com</a></a>>;
'General pattern discussion' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>;
'Anthony Cornacchione' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:acornacchione@hotmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acornacchione@hotmail.com">acornacchione@hotmail.com</a></a>>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>;
'John Pavlick' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net">jpavlick26@att.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update -
UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions |
AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That
was the statement that really got me pissed too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
other thing that troubles me is every time they
show a picture of a drone they show a quad
copter. Do they realize that the FAA is also
regulating airplanes of basically all sizes? I
think not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In my
view a drone should be defined as an aircraft
(plane, heli, quad, etc.) that is equipped with a
camera <u>and</u> gyro whether or not it can be
piloted out of visual range using
first-person-viewer technology. All other
aircraft under 55 lbs should be unregulated by the
government.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
AMA is clearly not doing a good job of educating
congress on what a drone really is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This
Senator was also not aware that the FAA just
started requiring registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I
guess we will have to pass the legislation to find
out what is in it!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Lukas via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:10
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Anthony Cornacchione'; 'General
pattern discussion'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a></a>;
'John Pavlick'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update
- UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions
| AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">“We
probably don’t need to worry about the commercial
users…because those users are going to be very
careful, but for the hobbyist, or the kid, that
can now go and purchase it, and you see the
probabilities of an accident waiting to happen”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paraphrased
but the most frightening words I’ve ever heard.
My blood ran cold when he said this. What
commercial sUAS company is located in Florida that
wants hobbyists out of the way?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
argument about “drones” vs. “plankers” is moot.
These people don’t see or care about the
difference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I
looked up the Commerce, Science, and
Transportation committee. It is headed up by Sen.
Thune from South Dakota. I’m going to write Sen.
Thune a letter (since his website would only give
me 500 characters…) The AMA may be talking to the
FAA, but they are not talking to congressmen and
senators as far as I’ve seen. These are the
people that will give the FAA the ammunition to
end it all. I might be overreacting, but I live a
mile inside the Washington, DC FRZ and they just
shut down 14 some odd AMA clubs in the DC SFRA
(technically in September, 2015, but enforced in
December). If Senator Nelson has his way, I don’t
think it will end there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul
“I haven’t been grounded this long since I was 12”
Lukas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Cornacchione via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>;
John Pavlick <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net">jpavlick26@att.net</a>>;
General pattern discussion <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update -
UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions |
AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It's going to get worse. The
one thing we've been clinging to is the language
in a 4 year old Reauthorization Act that expires
in two months. Here's some senate floor action.
Pay attention around the 430 mark to the end. <span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4576550/senator-nelsons-speech-drones">http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4576550/senator-nelsons-speech-drones</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 17, 2016, at 12:58 AM, John Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But
Matt, I AM building AND contributing to the
nonsensical… uh, what you said! LOL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John
Pavlick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cell:
203-417-4971</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Integrated
Development Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Kebabjian via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 16, 2016
11:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer; General pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
thought youse guys had no time to build. This
nonsensical diatribe over the past month or so
might hint otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Matt Kebabjian<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 16, 2016, at 6:43 PM, John Gayer via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That
unit of measure being undefined with a
possibility of the delay being zero, I suggest
using the holy hand grenade to eliminate the
intruder.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/16/2016 3:19 PM,
DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the appropriate
unit of measure for the "return time" is 1
migration cycle for an african swallow.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Sent
on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a></a>
<br>
Date: 01/16/2016 16:14 (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Keith Hoard <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com"><klhoard@outlook.com></a>,
nsrca-discussion <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS
Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA
Government Relations Blog <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">How
long do we have to wait for them to
surface, Keith? A week -- 2 weeks?
How long?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Do
we have free reign with them after they
surface?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><i><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8B8B8B">Phil
Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary</span></i></strong><b><i><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#8B8B8B"><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">AMA
1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></strong><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SPA
L-18, Board Member</span></strong><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(865)
435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span></strong></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
Arial, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center" align="center"><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">
<hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">We must
give them the “float test”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Throw
them and their multi-rotors in the AMA
pond in Muncie. If they float, then
they're a witch. If they don’t return
to the surface, then they're OK.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="">Sent from <a
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<b>From: </b><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">Ed Alt via
NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 16,
2016 12:25<br>
<b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">Peter Vogel</a>; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">NSRCA List</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS
Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations
Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman
,serif', serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif; ">The
multi-rotor scourge is in no way
comparable to helis. Heli's require
smarts, skill, patience. They exist
for entirely different reasons than do
autonomous multi-rotor stuff. This is
entirely different. It's a completely
incompatible activity at an RC field
if a dozen or so Joe Blow's show up
with them. They aren't hobbyists and
you will scarcely get converts. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Ed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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align="center"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Date: Sat, 16 Jan
2016 18:17:35 +0000<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS Registration
Frequently Asked Questions | AMA
Government Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Same arguments
were made regarding helicopters
at many fields. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Fundamentally, if
a multi rotor pilot comes to the
field (and they have), I'm going
to welcome them and teach them
the rules of the field (which
includes the AMA safety code and
how to react when full scale
flys by low on their way to the
airfield 6 miles down the road,
or the police helicopter flies
by very low doing speed control
on hwy 101). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">It's our only
hope: embrace and educate. The
alternative is shun and lose all
opportunity to discourage
unsafe/irresponsible use. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">If you educate one
in responsible use, there's a
possibility they will spread
that knowledge to others in the
community of multi rotor pilots.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Peter+</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;
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sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Sent from <a
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Mobile</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">On Sat, Jan 16,
2016 at 10:05 AM -0800, "Ed Alt
via NSRCA-discussion" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Dave:<br>
<br>
Yeah, I know that idiots are
the problem. Until we figure
out how to fix stupid, we
should separate ourselves from
the stuff that those idiots
are drawn to. There's no
particular reason for some
clown from the non-modeling
public to come to an AMA
flying field. Nothing much to
video, right? We'll never,
ever attract them to the AMA
in any kind of meaningful
numbers and actually, God help
us if we did. Good flying
fields are hard enough to come
by. Do you really want to be
competing for air time against
dozens of bozos who might show
up just to fly a multi-rotor?
No thanks. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;
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sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">Ed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; ">From: <a
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href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a></a><br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a></a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: RE:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update
- UAS Registration
Frequently Asked Questions
| AMA Government Relations
Blog<br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016
12:48:12 -0500</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Multi
rotors are not the
problem. Idiots are the
problem. We have a few
idiots flying every type
of model. I've seen an
idiot chasing after a
small full scale trying
to get close. That was
with some kind of sport
airplane. Would you
keep a guy away from an
AMA field if he brought
out a Giant scale, a
pattern plane, and a
multi rotor to fly all
of them. I'm of the
opinion I'd rather have
multi rotors at an AMA
field environment rather
than a mall parking lot
or somewhere else just a
stupid.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
"> NSRCA-discussion
[<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed
Alt via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, January
16, 2016 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John
Gayer; Larry
Diamond; NSRCA List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA
Government Relations
Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; ">This
is why it's a mistake
to continue to allow
multi-rotor (actual)
drones at any AMA
flying field. It
doesn't matter that
most AMA members are
very responsible. It
takes perhaps only one
full scale incident
and we could be done.
I think that if
you've got them, take
them somewhere else. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
">Ed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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<hr align="center"
size="2"
width="100%"></span></div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">To:
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a></a>;
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a><br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan
2016 09:19:42
-0700<br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA
Government
Relations Blog<br>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a><br>
<br>
The only time
there will be a
problem is with
full-scale
incidents. You
then have a pilot
saying he was at
600 feet and this
"drone" shot past
him vertically and
it looked like the
"drone" was trying
to hit him. Then
the only issue is
who was flying the
model. That is
relatively simple
at an AMA field
given a
description of the
model.<br>
<br>
A few incidents
like that and we
will have a hard
400 foot limit (or
lower).<br>
<br>
John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">On
1/16/2016 3:25
AM, Larry
Diamond via
NSRCA-discussion
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
400’ foot
discussion has
been
interesting to
follow.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Think
about how they
would enforce
this if it
were
regulation and
you were at a
flying site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
they show up
to the flying
site, they
would be
conspicuous
with equipment
trying to
document the
fact you are
above 400’.
They must have
physical
evidence for
it to stand up
in court if
the citation
is issued. You
simply bring
your plan down
to 400’ or
don’t fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">2)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
they were off
site, it is no
different than
issuing
speeding
tickets. They
must have
evidence the
plane they
document
belongs to you
and they must
be able to
demonstrate a
violation
occurred and
the history to
show it is you
without
question. This
will not be
enforceable if
they can’t
testify you
were
physically
flying the
drone over
400’.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">a.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Example:
An enforcement
officer locks
there radar on
you for
speeding. The
officer is
charged with
the
responsibility
of maintaining
a visual on
you (history)
or have video
to show your
vehicle was
the one
speeding. If
it is only a
video
correlation,
they must be
able to
demonstrate
(testify) it
was you
driving and
not somebody
else,
typically
pulling you
over within a
couple of
minutes. If
this can’t be
demonstrated
(testified) to
the level of
beyond
reasonable
doubt, the
charge/citation
will not stick
and it will be
dismissed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Were
the 400’
policy does
get enforced
with certainty
will be a post
mortem event.
i.e. midair
collision…
Outside of
this type of
event, it will
be very
difficult to
police and
enforce.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It
is one thing
to have a
policy out
there. It is
much different
when the
policy is
executed and
then tested in
the court
system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Over
simplified but
the point is
clear for me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
my favorite
comedian
always says,
“It is only my
opinion, I
could be
wrong”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Dana
Beaton via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
January 15,
2016 9:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Peter Vogel <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><vogel.peter@gmail.com></a></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b>
John Pavlick <a
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General
pattern
discussion <a
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">I
hear you but
every time the
400' thing
comes up again
it's in the
wrong
direction and
the
reassurances
carry no
weight
whatsoever in
light of what
has been
published for
us to observe
to date. The
distinctions
will be costly
for any one
individual to
make if
unlucky to
find oneself
in a process.
While our
risk may be
low flying at
our club
fields, times
have
definitely
changed...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="x_ecxAppleMailSignature">
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">The
ERAU UAS
course is also
a real
eye-opener in
many respects.
I think it is
still open if
anyone is
interested. <br>
<br>
Sent from my
iPad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 9:27
PM, Peter
Vogel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">6.e
uses the word
"should", not
"must" and
that's a very
important
legal
distinction,
making that a
guideline, not
a
requirement.
Further, as
they said on
Sunday, they
are aware they
got that wrong
and are
working with
the AMA to fix
it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Peter+</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">On
Fri, Jan 15,
2016 at 7:10
PM, Dana
Beaton via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a
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wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">6.e
is a real
eye-opener,
and a lot less
ambiguous than
91-57 was in
its original
form. Will be
interesting to
see what AMA
gas to say
about it.
Thanks for the
link!<br>
<br>
Sent from my
iPad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 7:59
PM, Mking via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Has
anyone from
the AMA
commented on
the new FAA
Advisory
Circular
91-57A Change
1?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf</a></a><br>
<br>
Marty King</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">A&P/IA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mking@kingaeroaviation.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mking@kingaeroaviation.com">mking@kingaeroaviation.com</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">King
Aero Aviation,
Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">574-304-5781</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Shop:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">24751
US 6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Nappanee,
Indiana 46550</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Office:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">56632
Boss Blvd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Elkhart,
Indiana 46516</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.kingaeroaviation.com/"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.kingaeroaviation.com">www.kingaeroaviation.com</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 8:32
PM, John
Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a
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wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And
to that end I
PROMISE not to
shoot anyone
unless they
actually break
into my house.
Now is it OK
if I buy some
30 round mag’s
for my AR-15?
LOL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">John
Pavlick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cell:
203-417-4971</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Integrated
Development
Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Ed Alt
via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
January 15,
2016 7:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Dave Lockhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b>
General
pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">But
Dave, did you
like your
doctor? The
promise was
"if you like
your doctor,
you can keep
your doctor".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 7:06
PM, Dave
Lockhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
have lots of
video
promising I
can keep my
doctor……</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Ed Alt
via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
January 15,
2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Peter Vogel
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a></a>>; John
Gayer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a></a>>; NSRCA
List <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Anyone
get that on
video? It's
just hearsay
until they put
it into their
regulations.
Meanwhile,
we're signing
up to a
promise not to
exceed 400'.
It would be
nice to have
that video for
the trial.
lol</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">
<hr
align="center"
size="2"
width="100%"></span></div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Date:
Fri, 15 Jan
2016 15:39:07
-0800<br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a></a>; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a><br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog<br>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Yep.
This was
brought up
directly with
the FAA guy at
the AMA Expo,
he indicated
that they got
the 400' thing
wrong and will
be working to
clarify their
guidance. The
guidance on
the web site
right now is
for people not
flying under
an approved
set of rules
from a
community
based
organization
like the AMA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Peter+</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">On
Fri, Jan 15,
2016 at 3:32
PM, John Gayer
via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; ">This
is what the
AMA says about
the 400 foot
barrier on the
FAQs page:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:#333333;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Q:
Am I permitted
to fly above
400 feet? What
if I had to
check a box
saying
otherwise on
the federal
registration
website?</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">A:
Yes. AMA
members who
abide by the
AMA Safety
Code, which
permits
flights above
400 feet under
appropriate
circumstances,
and are
protected by
the Special
Rule for Model
Aircraft under
the 2012 FAA
Modernization
and Reform
Act. Checking
the box on the
federal
registration
webpage
signifies an
understanding
of the 400
foot
guideline.
This is an
important
safety
principle that
all UAS
operators need
to be aware
of, and is the
same guideline
established in
AC 91-57
published in
1981. However,
the placement
of this
guideline on
the FAA
website is
intended as an
educational
piece and more
specifically
intended for
those
operating
outside of
AMA’s safey
program. We
have been in
discussions
with the FAA
about this
point and the
agency has
indicted that
it will be
updating its
website in the
next week to
make clear
that this
altitude
guideline is
not intended
to supplant
the guidance
and safety
procedures
established in
AMA’s safety
program.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
Sounds clear,
right? No 400
foot barrier
need apply.<br>
However, the
following is
what you have
to "read,
understand and
follow",
according to
the FAA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h1
style="text-align:center;background:whitesmoke"
align="center"><span
style="font-size:
21pt;
font-family:
Helvetica,
sans-serif;
font-weight:
normal; ">Acknowledgement
of Safety
Guidance</span><o:p></o:p></h1>
<ul
type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly below 400 feet</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly within visual line of sight</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will be aware of FAA airspace requirements: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not fly directly over people</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not fly over stadiums and sports events</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not fly near emergency response efforts
such as fires</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not fly near aircraft, especially near
airports</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not fly under the influence</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div
style="border:none;border-bottom:solid
#EEEEEE
1.0pt;padding:0in
0in 15.0pt
0in">
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/"
target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none">Learn More</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:
15.5pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">[ ] I
have read,
understand and
intend to
follow the
safety
guidance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
Under the
"learn more"
link, we find
the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h2
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:17.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Model
Aircraft
Operations
Limits</span><o:p></o:p></h2>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">According
to the FAA
Modernization
and Reform Act
of 2012 as (1)
the aircraft
is flown
strictly for
hobby or
recreational
use; (2) the
aircraft is
operated in
accordance
with a
community-based
set of safety
guidelines and
within the
programming of
a nationwide
community-based
organization;
(3) the
aircraft is
limited to not
more than 55
pounds unless
otherwise
certified
through a
design,
construction,
inspection,
flight test,
and
operational
safety program
administered
by a
community-based
organization;
(4) the
aircraft is
operated in a
manner that
does not
interfere with
and gives way
to any manned
aircraft; (5)
when flown
within 5 miles
of an airport,
the operator
of the
aircraft
provides the
airport
operator and
the airport
air traffic
control
tower…with
prior notice
of the
operation; and
(6) the
aircraft is
flown within
visual line
sight of the
operator.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul
type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l2
level1
lfo6;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=More%20information%20about%20safety%20and%20training%20guidelines&pgLnk=http://www.modelaircraft.org/"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">More
information
about safety
and training
guidelines</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l2
level1
lfo6;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=Visit%20knowbeforeyoufly.org&pgLnk=http://www.knowbeforeyoufly.org/"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">Visit
knowbeforeyoufly.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">This
implies that
the 400 foot
barrier is not
a limit for
model aircraft
and also
refers you
back to the
AMA FAQs
above. Since
the "learn
more" link
eventually
refers you
back to the
AMA position
on 400 feet
under the
"more info
about safety"
link, it very
fuzzily
appears to be
supporting the
position that
we can still
fly pattern
without lying
to the FAA
even though we
appear to be
agreeing to
such a limit
in the
"Acknowledgement".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"
style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">Guess
I'll register.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">On
1/15/2016 3:56
PM,
Patternpilot
One via
NSRCA-discussion
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Here
is what I got
from Mark
Radcliff just
after
midnight
Monday
morning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">He
was at the
Expo. It has
been posted
all over
Facebook.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/">http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/</a></a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Sa.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#575757">Sent
from my
Verizon
Wireless 4G
LTE smartphone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<pre><span style="">_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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style="font-family:
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sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
<br
clear="all">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">--
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Director,
Fixed Wing
Flight
Training</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Santa
Clara County
Model Aircraft
Skypark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Associate
Vice
President,
Academy of
Model
Aeronautics
District X</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Treasurer,
National
Society of
Radio Control
Aerobatics
(NSRCA)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;
border: 1pt
solid
windowtext;
padding: 0in;
"><image001.jpg><image002.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:
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sans-serif; "><br>
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href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><br>
<br
clear="all">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">--
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Director,
Fixed Wing
Flight
Training</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Santa
Clara County
Model Aircraft
Skypark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Associate
Vice
President,
Academy of
Model
Aeronautics
District X</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; ">Treasurer,
National
Society of
Radio Control
Aerobatics
(NSRCA)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="xecxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; "><image001.jpg><image002.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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class="xecxmsonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span style="">_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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