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<p class="MsoNormal">You also need to think of other AMA users like glider and jets. I imagine most fields are already in Class G airspace, so carving out our fair share shouldn’t be a problem.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal">Call it Class “M” airspace and have the FAA restrict any non-participating aircraft from entering without prior permission of the establishing agency (club or field owner).<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal">Then leave us the hell alone. <o:p></o:p></p>

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<b>From: </b><a href="mailto:danamaenia@me.com">Dana Beaton</a><br>

<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, January 21, 2016 14:35<br>

<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com">Keith Hoard</a><br>

<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><br>

<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</p>

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<div class="">What class of airspace are you asking for Keith and do we really need that much?  If we ask for the same airspace access as licensed private or commercial pilots have, then we will need to get those tickets.  Even if we do, our Small UAS will

 not be certified for all the same kinds of flight operations that manned aircraft are certified for.  OTOH, if we only really need 900’-1,000’ to cover the top of the aerobatic box, that may be a reasonable exception to ask for given that we can demonstrate

 our Small UAS model aircraft can be operated safely within that flight envelope when operated within the guidelines of our Community Based Organization.  We can show all that and have the documentation and track record to make that request credible.</div>

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<div class="">Just keeping it real Keith.  You are on to something and I believe it is the right track.  We need to get our AMA fields on the map just like glider ports, heliports, balloons, etc.  Just another friendly part of the neighborhood.  We can ask

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Why cant we be granted 2000 AGL?  We're frickin’ full fledged tax payin’ grown up users of the stinkin’ National Airspace System, right? </div>

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If the FA&A has upgraded our planes to Full Scale Status, then they need to provide us the proper airspace protections we deserve.</div>

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<span class="" style="font-size:14pt; color:rgb(31,73,125)">If that were true, then full-scale could never land . . .<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>

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<span class="" style="font-size:14pt; color:rgb(31,73,125)">The only way out I can see is to get our own airspace, say ½ mile radius up to 2000 feet centered on every AMA field and published with the FAA.  There are already NOTAMS for designated UAS activity

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<span class="" style="font-size:14pt; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Instead of acting like the victims here, the AMA needs to start demanding our own chunks of the NAS.  If we are now full-fledged users of the NAS, then we need to start acting like it.</span></div>

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Furthermore, the term "navigable airspace" extends up from the ground. Full-scale airplanes do NOT always have a glass "floor" of 500 feet, as some would think. </div>

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On Jan 21, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>

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The definition discussion is closed. If it flies in navigable airspace, it is an aircraft. If the pilot is not on board, it is a UAS. The term includes the ground station, support systems and the aircraft itself. They are taking a systems approach to regulating

 Small UAS. RC models are now Small UAS when flown in the NAS. This is what we have to deal with now, what AMA has to deal with as they fight to preserve our hobby. We need to get our heads around the new realities if we are to remain relevant to hold on to

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">To engage the definition of a drone, especially the way you intend would be suicidal for us.  The misinterpretations would be catastrophic.  I would stay away from such.</span></div>

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<b class="">From:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<b class="">To:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Paul Lukas' <<a href="mailto:paul.lukas@live.com" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">paul.lukas@live.com</a>>; 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>;

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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</div>

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The other thing that troubles me is every time they show a picture of a drone they show a quad copter.  Do they realize that the FAA is also regulating airplanes of basically all sizes?  I think not.</span></div>

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">In my view a drone should be defined as an aircraft (plane, heli, quad, etc.) that is equipped with a camera<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">and</u><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>gyro

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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The argument about “drones” vs. “plankers” is moot.  These people don’t see or care about the difference.</span></div>

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I looked up the Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee. It is headed up by Sen. Thune from South Dakota.  I’m going to write Sen. Thune a letter (since his website would only give me 500 characters…)  The

 AMA may be talking to the FAA, but they are not talking to congressmen and senators as far as I’ve seen.  These are the people that will give the FAA the ammunition to end it all.  I might be overreacting, but I live a mile inside the Washington, DC FRZ and

 they just shut down 14 some odd AMA clubs in the DC SFRA (technically in September, 2015, but enforced in December).  If Senator Nelson has his way, I don’t think it will end there.</span></div>

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<b class="">From:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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On Jan 17, 2016, at 12:58 AM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</p>

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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">But Matt, I AM building AND contributing to the nonsensical… uh, what you said! LOL</span></div>

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I thought youse guys had no time to build. This nonsensical diatribe over the past month or so might hint otherwise.</p>

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That unit of measure being undefined with a possibility of the delay being zero, I suggest using the holy hand grenade to eliminate the intruder.</p>

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To: Keith Hoard<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline"><klhoard@outlook.com></a>, nsrca-discussion<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">

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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The multi-rotor scourge is in no way comparable to helis.  Heli's require smarts, skill, patience.  They exist for entirely different reasons than do autonomous multi-rotor stuff.  This

 is entirely different.  It's a completely incompatible activity at an RC field if a dozen or so Joe Blow's show up with them.  They aren't hobbyists and you will scarcely get converts.<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>

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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:17:35 +0000<br class="">

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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Fundamentally, if a multi rotor pilot comes to the field (and they have), I'm going to welcome them and teach them the rules of the field (which includes the AMA safety code and how to

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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM -0800, "Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>

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  Nothing much to video, right?  We'll never, ever attract them to the AMA in any kind of meaningful numbers and actually, God help us if we did.  Good flying fields are hard enough to come by.  Do you really want to be competing for air time against dozens

 of bozos who might show up just to fly a multi-rotor?  No thanks.<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:48:12 -0500</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Multi rotors are not the problem. Idiots are the problem. We have a few idiots flying every type of model. I've seen an idiot chasing after a small full scale trying

 to get close. That was with some kind of sport airplane.  Would you keep a guy away from an AMA field if he brought out a Giant scale, a pattern plane, and a multi rotor to fly all of them. I'm of the opinion I'd rather have multi rotors at an AMA field environment

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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This is why it's a mistake to continue to allow multi-rotor (actual) drones at any AMA flying field.  It doesn't matter that most AMA members are very responsible.  It takes perhaps only one full scale incident

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The only time there will be a problem is with full-scale incidents. You then have a pilot saying he was at 600 feet and this "drone" shot past him vertically and it looked like the "drone" was trying to hit him. Then the only issue is who was flying the model.

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 they show up to the flying site, they would be conspicuous with equipment trying to document the fact you are above 400’. They must have physical evidence for it to stand up in court if the citation is issued. You simply bring your plan down to 400’ or don’t

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">2)</span><span class="" style="font-size:7pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">     <span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">If

 they were off site, it is no different than issuing speeding tickets. They must have evidence the plane they document belongs to you and they must be able to demonstrate a violation occurred and the history to show it is you without question. This will not

 be enforceable if they can’t testify you were physically flying the drone over 400’.</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">a.</span><span class="" style="font-size:7pt; font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">      <span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Example:

 An enforcement officer locks there radar on you for speeding. The officer is charged with the responsibility of maintaining a visual on you (history) or have video to show your vehicle was the one speeding. If it is only a video correlation, they must be able

 to demonstrate (testify) it was you driving and not somebody else, typically pulling you over within a couple of minutes. If this can’t be demonstrated (testified) to the level of beyond reasonable doubt, the charge/citation will not stick and it will be dismissed.</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Were the 400’ policy does get enforced with certainty will be a post mortem event. i.e. midair collision… Outside of this type of event, it will be very difficult to

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">It is one thing to have a policy out there. It is much different when the policy is executed and then tested in the court system.</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Over simplified but the point is clear for me.</span></p>

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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, January 15, 2016 9:48 PM<br class="">

<b class="">To:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peter Vogel<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline"><vogel.peter@gmail.com></a><br class="">

<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Pavlick<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline"><jpavlick26@att.net></a>; General

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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I hear you but every time the 400' thing comes up again it's in the wrong direction and the reassurances carry no weight whatsoever in light of what has been published for us to observe to date.  The distinctions

 will be costly for any one individual to make if unlucky to find oneself in a process.  While our risk may be low flying at our club fields, times have definitely changed...</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The ERAU UAS course is also a real eye-opener in many respects.  I think it is still open if anyone is interested.  <br class="">

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On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">6.e uses the word "should", not "must" and that's a very important legal distinction, making that a guideline, not a requirement.  Further, as they said on Sunday, they are aware they got that wrong and

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">6.e is a real eye-opener, and a lot less ambiguous than 91-57 was in its original form. Will be interesting to see what AMA gas to say about it.  Thanks for the link!<br class="">

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On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Mking via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Has anyone from the AMA commented on the new FAA Advisory Circular 91-57A Change 1?</span></p>

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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">But Dave, did you like your doctor?  The promise was "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".</span></p>

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On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">davel322@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span></p>

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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Anyone get that on video?  It's just hearsay until they put it into their regulations.  Meanwhile, we're signing up to a promise not to exceed 400'.  It would be nice to have that video for the trial.  lol</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:39:07 -0800<br class="">

To:<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">jgghome@comcast.net</a>;<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br class="">

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From:<span class="x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Yep.  This was brought up directly with the FAA guy at the AMA Expo, he indicated that they got the 400' thing wrong and will be working to clarify their guidance.  The guidance on the web site right now

 is for people not flying under an approved set of rules from a community based organization like the AMA.</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>

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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This is what the AMA says about the 400 foot barrier on the FAQs page:</span></p>

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<strong class=""><span class="" style="font-size:9pt; font-family:inherit; color:rgb(51,51,51); border:1pt none windowtext; padding:0in">Q: Am I permitted to fly above 400 feet? What if I had to check a box saying otherwise on the federal registration website?</span></strong></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:9pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:rgb(51,51,51)">A: Yes. AMA members who abide by the AMA Safety Code, which permits flights above 400 feet under appropriate circumstances, and are protected by the Special Rule for Model

 Aircraft under the 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act. Checking the box on the federal registration webpage signifies an understanding of the 400 foot guideline. This is an important safety principle that all UAS operators need to be aware of, and is the

 same guideline established in AC 91-57 published in 1981. However, the placement of this guideline on the FAA website is intended as an educational piece and more specifically intended for those operating outside of AMA’s safey program.  We have been in discussions

 with the FAA about this point and the agency has indicted that it will be updating its website in the next week to make clear that this altitude guideline is not intended to supplant the guidance and safety procedures established in AMA’s safety program.</span></p>

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<span class="" style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly below 400 feet</span></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(20,20,20)">

<span class="" style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly within visual line of sight</span></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(20,20,20)">

<span class="" style="font-size:14.5pt">I will be aware of FAA airspace requirements: <a href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114); text-decoration:underline">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</a></span></li><li class="x_x_MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:rgb(20,20,20)">

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<span class="" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:rgb(51,51,51)">According to the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 as (1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use; (2) the aircraft is operated in accordance

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 and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization; (4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft

 provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower…with prior notice of the operation; and (6) the aircraft is flown within visual line sight of the operator.</span></p>

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