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    Dana,<br>
    Of course we need to see and avoid. That is true for anything in the
    sky that is controlled.<br>
    The FAR relating to airspace has no reference that requires the
    pilot to be onboard.<br>
    <br>
    I was referring to class G airspace rules below 500 feet.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2016 2:51 PM, Dana Beaton via
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      @ John Gayer, the thing is, regardless of what the FARs dictate to
      pilots of manned aircraft, the smaller more maneuverable craft is
      alway obligated to give way, and that will always be the Small UAS
      with respect to anything manned.  We will always be obligated to
      see and avoid when flying our models.  The legal basis for this
      goes back to antiquity probably as a custom of the high seas, or
      whenever mariners started making right of way rules for each
      other.  Aviation follows in this time honored tradition of
      navigation, smaller craft seeing and avoiding larger vessels for
      practical reasons.  The onus will always be on us and guess what,
      we are up to the task because we have been doing it for decades
      now. Amazing actually!  Safe flying guys!  Dana
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            <div class="">On Jan 21, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Keith Hoard via
              NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    our own airspace would also have significant
                    financial graft appeal for the AMA, thus motivating
                    them to pursue this option.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                    now the AMA is trying to make their “scope” the
                    entire surface of the U.S.A. as well as every
                    modeler and moron with a credit card.  By spreading
                    themselves so thin they are setting themselves up
                    for failure.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                    the AMA would limit their “scope” to folks who
                    operate at designated model fields within protected
                    airspace, then they would funnel anyone who wishes
                    to operate legally to an AMA field –
                    “$$Cha$$-$$Ching$$” - $75/year.   However, that also
                    means that they need to tell the FAA that they are
                    not responsible for anyone operating outside Class
                    “M” airspace and they are on their own.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                      Hoard<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dana
                        Beaton [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        January 21, 2016 14:59<br class="">
                        <b class="">To:</b><span
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                        Hoard <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com" class="">klhoard@outlook.com</a>>;

                        General pattern discussion <<a
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                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                        [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration
                        Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government
                        Relations Blog<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                    missed your big opportunity Keith!  Class F airspace
                    is not yet defined in the good old US of A!  Go for
                    it!!!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                        class="">On Jan 21, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Keith
                        Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                        wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Actually, you
                            could write the rules for Class “M” airspace
                            so that those type licenses and restrictions
                            wouldn’t apply.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    airspace are you asking for Keith
                                    and do we really need that much?  If
                                    we ask for the same airspace access
                                    as licensed private or commercial
                                    pilots have, then we will need to
                                    get those tickets.  </span><o:p
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                                        2016, at 3:09 PM, Keith Hoard
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                                            cant we be granted 2000
                                            AGL?  We're frickin’ full
                                            fledged tax payin’ grown up
                                            users of the stinkin’
                                            National Airspace System,
                                            right? </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                            style="font-size: 11pt;
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                                            sans-serif;" class="">If the
                                            FA&A has upgraded our
                                            planes to Full Scale Status,
                                            then they need to provide us
                                            the proper airspace
                                            protections we deserve.</span><o:p
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