<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>It's going to get worse. The one thing we've been clinging to is the language in a 4 year old Reauthorization Act that expires in two months. Here's some senate floor action. Pay attention around the 430 mark to the end. </div><div><a href="http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4576550/senator-nelsons-speech-drones">http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4576550/senator-nelsons-speech-drones</a></div><div><br>On Jan 17, 2016, at 12:58 AM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But Matt, I AM building AND
contributing to the nonsensical… uh, what you said! LOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cell: 203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew
Kebabjian via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I thought youse guys had no
time to build. This nonsensical diatribe over the past month or so might hint
otherwise.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Matt Kebabjian<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 16, 2016, at 6:43 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That unit of measure being
undefined with a possibility of the delay being zero, I suggest using the holy
hand grenade to eliminate the intruder.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/16/2016 3:19 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the appropriate unit of measure for the
"return time" is 1 migration cycle for an african swallow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Sent on a
Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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Date: 01/16/2016 16:14 (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Keith Hoard <a href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com"><klhoard@outlook.com></a>,
nsrca-discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog <span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">How
long do we have to wait for them to surface, Keith? A week --
2 weeks? How long?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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we have free reign with them after they surface?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#8B8B8B">Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary</span></i></strong><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#8B8B8B"><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">AMA 1294, Scientific
Leader Member</span></strong><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">SPA L-18, Board Member</span></strong><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">(865) 435-1476v
(865) 604-0541c</span></strong></span></i></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">We must give them the “float
test”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Throw them and their multi-rotors
in the AMA pond in Muncie. If they float, then they're a witch. If
they don’t return to the surface, then they're OK.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Mail</a> for Windows 10 phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>From: </b><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">Ed
Alt via NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:25<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Peter Vogel</a>;
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA List</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">The multi-rotor scourge is in no way comparable to helis.
Heli's require smarts, skill, patience. They exist for entirely
different reasons than do autonomous multi-rotor stuff. This is entirely
different. It's a completely incompatible activity at an RC field if a
dozen or so Joe Blow's show up with them. They aren't hobbyists and you
will scarcely get converts. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016
18:17:35 +0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>; <a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">Same arguments were made regarding helicopters at many fields.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Fundamentally, if a multi rotor pilot comes to the field (and they
have), I'm going to welcome them and teach them the rules of the field (which
includes the AMA safety code and how to react when full scale flys by low on
their way to the airfield 6 miles down the road, or the police helicopter flies
by very low doing speed control on hwy 101). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">It's our only hope: embrace and educate. The alternative is
shun and lose all opportunity to discourage unsafe/irresponsible use. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">If you educate one in responsible use, there's a possibility they
will spread that knowledge to others in the community of multi rotor pilots.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">Sent from <a href="https://aka.ms/qtex0l" target="_blank">Outlook
Mobile</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:05
AM -0800, "Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">Dave:<br>
<br>
Yeah, I know that idiots are the problem. Until we figure out how to fix
stupid, we should separate ourselves from the stuff that those idiots are drawn
to. There's no particular reason for some clown from the non-modeling public to
come to an AMA flying field. Nothing much to video, right? We'll
never, ever attract them to the AMA in any kind of meaningful numbers and
actually, God help us if we did. Good flying fields are hard enough to
come by. Do you really want to be competing for air time against dozens
of bozos who might show up just to fly a multi-rotor? No thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From: <a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:48:12 -0500<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Multi rotors are not the problem. Idiots are the problem. We
have a few idiots flying every type of model. I've seen an idiot chasing after
a small full scale trying to get close. That was with some kind of sport
airplane. Would you keep a guy away from an AMA field if he brought out a
Giant scale, a pattern plane, and a multi rotor to fly all of them. I'm of the
opinion I'd rather have multi rotors at an AMA field environment rather than a
mall parking lot or somewhere else just a stupid.</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Dave</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer; Larry Diamond; NSRCA List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">This is why it's a mistake to continue to allow multi-rotor
(actual) drones at any AMA flying field. It doesn't matter that most AMA
members are very responsible. It takes perhaps only one full scale
incident and we could be done. I think that if you've got them, take them
somewhere else. </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Ed</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">To: <a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:19:42 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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The only time there will be a problem is with full-scale incidents. You then
have a pilot saying he was at 600 feet and this "drone" shot past him
vertically and it looked like the "drone" was trying to hit him. Then
the only issue is who was flying the model. That is relatively simple at an AMA
field given a description of the model.<br>
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A few incidents like that and we will have a hard 400 foot limit (or lower).<br>
<br>
John</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">On 1/16/2016 3:25 AM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The 400’ foot discussion has been interesting to follow.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Think about how they would enforce this if it were regulation
and you were at a flying site.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If they show up to the flying site, they would be conspicuous
with equipment trying to document the fact you are above 400’. They must have
physical evidence for it to stand up in court if the citation is issued. You
simply bring your plan down to 400’ or don’t fly.</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If they were off site, it is no different than issuing speeding
tickets. They must have evidence the plane they document belongs to you and
they must be able to demonstrate a violation occurred and the history to show
it is you without question. This will not be enforceable if they can’t testify
you were physically flying the drone over 400’.</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Example: An enforcement officer locks there radar on you for
speeding. The officer is charged with the responsibility of maintaining a
visual on you (history) or have video to show your vehicle was the one
speeding. If it is only a video correlation, they must be able to demonstrate
(testify) it was you driving and not somebody else, typically pulling you over
within a couple of minutes. If this can’t be demonstrated (testified) to the
level of beyond reasonable doubt, the charge/citation will not stick and it
will be dismissed.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Were the 400’ policy does get enforced with certainty will be a
post mortem event. i.e. midair collision… Outside of this type of event, it
will be very difficult to police and enforce.</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">It is one thing to have a policy out there. It is much different
when the policy is executed and then tested in the court system.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Over simplified but the point is clear for me.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">As my favorite comedian always says, “It is only my opinion, I
could be wrong”.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Larry</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 9:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel <a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><vogel.peter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Pavlick <a href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net"><jpavlick26@att.net></a>;
General pattern discussion <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">I hear you but every time the 400' thing comes up again it's in
the wrong direction and the reassurances carry no weight whatsoever in light of
what has been published for us to observe to date. The distinctions will
be costly for any one individual to make if unlucky to find oneself in a
process. While our risk may be low flying at our club fields, times have
definitely changed...</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">The ERAU UAS course is also a real eye-opener in many respects.
I think it is still open if anyone is interested. <br>
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Sent from my iPad</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">6.e uses the word "should", not "must" and
that's a very important legal distinction, making that a guideline, not a
requirement. Further, as they said on Sunday, they are aware they got
that wrong and are working with the AMA to fix it.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Peter+</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">6.e is a real eye-opener, and a lot less ambiguous than 91-57 was
in its original form. Will be interesting to see what AMA gas to say about
it. Thanks for the link!<br>
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Sent from my iPad</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Mking via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Has anyone from the AMA commented on the new FAA Advisory Circular
91-57A Change 1?</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf</a><br>
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Marty King</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">A&P/IA</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="mailto:mking@kingaeroaviation.com">mking@kingaeroaviation.com</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">King Aero Aviation, Inc.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">574-304-5781</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Shop:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">24751 US 6</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Nappanee, Indiana 46550</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Office:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">56632 Boss Blvd</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Elkhart, Indiana 46516</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://www.kingaeroaviation.com">www.kingaeroaviation.com</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:32 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">And to that end I PROMISE not to shoot anyone unless they
actually break into my house. Now is it OK if I buy some 30 round mag’s for my
AR-15? LOL</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">John Pavlick</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Cell: 203-417-4971</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><image001.png></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Integrated Development Services</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 7:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dave Lockhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">But Dave, did you like your doctor? The promise was "if
you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">I have lots of video promising I can keep my doctor……</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>;
John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>>;
NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Anyone get that on video? It's just hearsay until they put
it into their regulations. Meanwhile, we're signing up to a promise not
to exceed 400'. It would be nice to have that video for the trial.
lol</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:39:07 -0800<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Yep. This was brought up directly with the FAA guy at the
AMA Expo, he indicated that they got the 400' thing wrong and will be working
to clarify their guidance. The guidance on the web site right now is for
people not flying under an approved set of rules from a community based
organization like the AMA.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Peter+</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">This is what the AMA says about the 400
foot barrier on the FAQs page:<br>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";
color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Q: Am I permitted to
fly above 400 feet? What if I had to check a box saying otherwise on the
federal registration website?</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:
baseline;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333">A: Yes. AMA members who abide
by the AMA Safety Code, which permits flights above 400 feet under appropriate
circumstances, and are protected by the Special Rule for Model Aircraft under
the 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act. Checking the box on the federal
registration webpage signifies an understanding of the 400 foot guideline. This
is an important safety principle that all UAS operators need to be aware of,
and is the same guideline established in AC 91-57 published in 1981. However,
the placement of this guideline on the FAA website is intended as an
educational piece and more specifically intended for those operating outside of
AMA’s safey program. We have been in discussions with the FAA about this
point and the agency has indicted that it will be updating its website in the
next week to make clear that this altitude guideline is not intended to
supplant the guidance and safety procedures established in AMA’s safety
program.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><br>
Sounds clear, right? No 400 foot barrier need apply.<br>
However, the following is what you have to "read, understand and
follow", according to the FAA.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1 align="center" style="text-align:center;background:whitesmoke"><span style="font-size:21.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;
font-weight:normal">Acknowledgement of Safety Guidance</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></h1>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly
below 400 feet</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will fly
within visual line of sight</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will be
aware of FAA airspace requirements: <a href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not
fly directly over people</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not
fly over stadiums and sports events</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not
fly near emergency response efforts such as fires</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not
fly near aircraft, especially near airports</span><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt">I will not
fly under the influence</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none">Learn More</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:15.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">[ ] I have read, understand and intend to follow the
safety guidance.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
Under the "learn more" link, we find the following:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h2 style="background:white"><span style="font-size:17.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333">Model Aircraft Operations Limits</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:
start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333">According to the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 as (1)
the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use; (2) the aircraft
is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and
within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; (3) the
aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified
through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety
program administered by a community-based organization; (4) the aircraft is
operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned
aircraft; (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the
aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control
tower…with prior notice of the operation; and (6) the aircraft is flown within
visual line sight of the operator.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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information about safety and training guidelines</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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knowbeforeyoufly.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:
start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">This implies that the 400 foot barrier is not a limit for model
aircraft and also refers you back to the AMA FAQs above. Since the
"learn more" link eventually refers you back to the AMA position on
400 feet under the "more info about safety" link, it very
fuzzily appears to be supporting the position that we can still fly pattern
without lying to the FAA even though we appear to be agreeing to such a limit
in the "Acknowledgement".</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xecxmsonormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:
start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">Guess I'll register.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">On 1/15/2016 3:56 PM, Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Here is what I got from Mark Radcliff just after midnight
Monday morning.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">He was at the Expo. It has been posted all over Facebook.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/">http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/</a>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Sa.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black">_______________________________________________<br>
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color:black"><br>
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color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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color:black">-- </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xecxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><img border="0" width="200" height="154" id="x_ecx_x005f_x0000_i1026" src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6513778381_5569cc985d_m.jpg"><img border="0" width="200" height="136" id="x_ecx_x005f_x0000_i1027" src="https://googledrive.com/host/0B4LOPeyGAgOJUVJmU1dJMVl6WWc/AcademyModelAeronauticsLogo.png"></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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