<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I thought youse guys had no time to build. This nonsensical diatribe over the past month or so might hint otherwise.<br><br><br><div>Matt Kebabjian</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jan 16, 2016, at 6:43 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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That unit of measure being undefined with a possibility of the delay
being zero, I suggest using the holy hand grenade to eliminate the
intruder.<br>
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Date: 01/16/2016 16:14 (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Keith Hoard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:klhoard@outlook.com"><klhoard@outlook.com></a>, nsrca-discussion
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<div>How long do we have to wait for them to surface, Keith? A
week -- 2 weeks? How long?<br>
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<div>Do we have free reign with them after they surface?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We must give them the “float test”.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Throw them and their multi-rotors in
the AMA pond in Muncie. If they float, then they're a
witch. If they don’t return to the surface, then they're
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<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:25<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The multi-rotor scourge is in no way
comparable to helis. Heli's require smarts, skill,
patience. They exist for entirely different reasons than
do autonomous multi-rotor stuff. This is entirely
different. It's a completely incompatible activity at an
RC field if a dozen or so Joe Blow's show up with them.
They aren't hobbyists and you will scarcely get converts.
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>;
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Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA
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<div>Same arguments were made regarding helicopters at
many fields. </div>
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<div>Fundamentally, if a multi rotor pilot comes to
the field (and they have), I'm going to welcome them
and teach them the rules of the field (which
includes the AMA safety code and how to react when
full scale flys by low on their way to the airfield
6 miles down the road, or the police helicopter
flies by very low doing speed control on hwy 101). </div>
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<div>It's our only hope: embrace and educate. The
alternative is shun and lose all opportunity to
discourage unsafe/irresponsible use. </div>
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<div>If you educate one in responsible use, there's a
possibility they will spread that knowledge to
others in the community of multi rotor pilots. </div>
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<div class="x_ecxgmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at
10:05 AM -0800, "Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion"
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<div dir="ltr">Dave:<br>
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Yeah, I know that idiots are the problem.
Until we figure out how to fix stupid, we
should separate ourselves from the stuff that
those idiots are drawn to. There's no
particular reason for some clown from the
non-modeling public to come to an AMA flying
field. Nothing much to video, right? We'll
never, ever attract them to the AMA in any
kind of meaningful numbers and actually, God
help us if we did. Good flying fields are
hard enough to come by. Do you really want to
be competing for air time against dozens of
bozos who might show up just to fly a
multi-rotor? No thanks.
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>;
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Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Update -
UAS Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:48:12 -0500<br>
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color:#1F497D">Multi rotors are not
the problem. Idiots are the problem.
We have a few idiots flying every
type of model. I've seen an idiot
chasing after a small full scale
trying to get close. That was with
some kind of sport airplane. Would
you keep a guy away from an AMA
field if he brought out a Giant
scale, a pattern plane, and a multi
rotor to fly all of them. I'm of the
opinion I'd rather have multi rotors
at an AMA field environment rather
than a mall parking lot or somewhere
else just a stupid.</span></p>
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NSRCA-discussion
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January
16, 2016 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Gayer; Larry
Diamond; NSRCA List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS
Registration Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA Government
Relations Blog</span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This
is why it's a mistake to continue
to allow multi-rotor (actual)
drones at any AMA flying field.
It doesn't matter that most AMA
members are very responsible. It
takes perhaps only one full scale
incident and we could be done. I
think that if you've got them,
take them somewhere else. </span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016
09:19:42 -0700<br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update -
UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA
Government Relations Blog<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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The only time there will be a
problem is with full-scale
incidents. You then have a
pilot saying he was at 600
feet and this "drone" shot
past him vertically and it
looked like the "drone" was
trying to hit him. Then the
only issue is who was flying
the model. That is relatively
simple at an AMA field given a
description of the model.<br>
<br>
A few incidents like that and
we will have a hard 400 foot
limit (or lower).<br>
<br>
John</span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
1/16/2016 3:25 AM, Larry
Diamond via NSRCA-discussion
wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The 400’
foot discussion has been
interesting to follow.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Think about
how they would enforce
this if it were regulation
and you were at a flying
site.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">1)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If they
show up to the flying
site, they would be
conspicuous with equipment
trying to document the
fact you are above 400’.
They must have physical
evidence for it to stand
up in court if the
citation is issued. You
simply bring your plan
down to 400’ or don’t fly.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">2)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If they
were off site, it is no
different than issuing
speeding tickets. They
must have evidence the
plane they document
belongs to you and they
must be able to
demonstrate a violation
occurred and the history
to show it is you without
question. This will not be
enforceable if they can’t
testify you were
physically flying the
drone over 400’.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Example: An
enforcement officer locks
there radar on you for
speeding. The officer is
charged with the
responsibility of
maintaining a visual on
you (history) or have
video to show your vehicle
was the one speeding. If
it is only a video
correlation, they must be
able to demonstrate
(testify) it was you
driving and not somebody
else, typically pulling
you over within a couple
of minutes. If this can’t
be demonstrated
(testified) to the level
of beyond reasonable
doubt, the charge/citation
will not stick and it will
be dismissed.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Were the
400’ policy does get
enforced with certainty
will be a post mortem
event. i.e. midair
collision… Outside of this
type of event, it will be
very difficult to police
and enforce.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">It is one
thing to have a policy out
there. It is much
different when the policy
is executed and then
tested in the court
system.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Over
simplified but the point
is clear for me.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">As my
favorite comedian always
says, “It is only my
opinion, I could be
wrong”.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Larry</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dana
Beaton via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday,
January 15, 2016 9:48
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><vogel.peter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John
Pavlick <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net"><jpavlick26@att.net></a>;
General pattern
discussion
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently Asked
Questions | AMA
Government Relations
Blog</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I hear
you but every time the
400' thing comes up
again it's in the wrong
direction and the
reassurances carry no
weight whatsoever in
light of what has been
published for us to
observe to date. The
distinctions will be
costly for any one
individual to make if
unlucky to find oneself
in a process. While our
risk may be low flying
at our club fields,
times have definitely
changed...</span></p>
</div>
<div id="x_ecxAppleMailSignature">
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div id="x_ecxAppleMailSignature">
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The ERAU
UAS course is also a
real eye-opener in many
respects. I think it is
still open if anyone is
interested. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:27
PM, Peter Vogel <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="">
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">6.e uses
the word "should",
not "must" and
that's a very
important legal
distinction, making
that a guideline,
not a requirement.
Further, as they
said on Sunday, they
are aware they got
that wrong and are
working with the AMA
to fix it.</span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter+</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Fri,
Jan 15, 2016 at
7:10 PM, Dana
Beaton via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;
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<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">6.e is a
real
eye-opener,
and a lot less
ambiguous than
91-57 was in
its original
form. Will be
interesting to
see what AMA
gas to say
about it.
Thanks for the
link!<br>
<br>
Sent from my
iPad</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 7:59
PM, Mking via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="">
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Has
anyone from
the AMA
commented on
the new FAA
Advisory
Circular
91-57A Change
1?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Marty King</span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 8:32
PM, John
Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="">
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">And
to that end I
PROMISE not to
shoot anyone
unless they
actually break
into my house.
Now is it OK
if I buy some
30 round mag’s
for my AR-15?
LOL</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">John
Pavlick</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Cell:
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Ed Alt
via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
January 15,
2016 7:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Dave Lockhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b>
General
pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">But Dave,
did you like
your doctor?
The promise
was "if you
like your
doctor, you
can keep your
doctor".</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
On Jan 15,
2016, at 7:06
PM, Dave
Lockhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="">
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">I
have lots of
video
promising I
can keep my
doctor……</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Ed Alt
via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
January 15,
2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Peter Vogel
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>;
John Gayer
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>>;
NSRCA List
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anyone
get that on
video? It's
just hearsay
until they put
it into their
regulations.
Meanwhile,
we're signing
up to a
promise not to
exceed 400'.
It would be
nice to have
that video for
the trial.
lol</span></p>
<div>
<div class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<hr align="center" size="2" width="100%">
</span></div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date:
Fri, 15 Jan
2016 15:39:07
-0800<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">
</a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Update - UAS
Registration
Frequently
Asked
Questions |
AMA Government
Relations Blog<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span><br data-mce-bogus="1">
</p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yep.
This was
brought up
directly with
the FAA guy at
the AMA Expo,
he indicated
that they got
the 400' thing
wrong and will
be working to
clarify their
guidance. The
guidance on
the web site
right now is
for people not
flying under
an approved
set of rules
from a
community
based
organization
like the AMA.</span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter+</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Fri,
Jan 15, 2016
at 3:32 PM,
John Gayer via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This is
what the AMA
says about the
400 foot
barrier on the
FAQs page:<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;
background:white;
vertical-align:baseline">
<strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:inherit;
color:#333333;
border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;
padding:0in">Q:
Am I permitted
to fly above
400 feet? What
if I had to
check a box
saying
otherwise on
the federal
registration
website?</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;
background:white;
vertical-align:baseline;
text-align:start;
word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333">A:
Yes. AMA
members who
abide by the
AMA Safety
Code, which
permits
flights above
400 feet under
appropriate
circumstances,
and are
protected by
the Special
Rule for Model
Aircraft under
the 2012 FAA
Modernization
and Reform
Act. Checking
the box on the
federal
registration
webpage
signifies an
understanding
of the 400
foot
guideline.
This is an
important
safety
principle that
all UAS
operators need
to be aware
of, and is the
same guideline
established in
AC 91-57
published in
1981. However,
the placement
of this
guideline on
the FAA
website is
intended as an
educational
piece and more
specifically
intended for
those
operating
outside of
AMA’s safey
program. We
have been in
discussions
with the FAA
about this
point and the
agency has
indicted that
it will be
updating its
website in the
next week to
make clear
that this
altitude
guideline is
not intended
to supplant
the guidance
and safety
procedures
established in
AMA’s safety
program.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
Sounds clear,
right? No 400
foot barrier
need apply.<br>
However, the
following is
what you have
to "read,
understand and
follow",
according to
the FAA.</span></p>
<h1 style="text-align:center;
background:whitesmoke" align="center"><span style="font-size:21.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";
color:#006DB5;
font-weight:normal">Acknowledgement of Safety Guidance</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></h1>
<ul>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will fly below
400 feet</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will fly
within visual
line of sight</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will be aware
of FAA
airspace
requirements: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will not fly
directly over
people</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will not fly
over stadiums
and sports
events</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will not fly
near emergency
response
efforts such
as fires</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will not fly
near aircraft,
especially
near airports</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#141414"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
will not fly
under the
influence</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
</ul>
<div style="border:none;
border-bottom:solid
#EEEEEE 1.0pt;
padding:0in
0in 15.0pt
0in">
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";
color:#006DB5;
text-decoration:none">Learn More</span></a></span><br data-mce-bogus="1">
</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:15.5pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[ ] I have read,
understand and
intend to
follow the
safety
guidance.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
Under the
"learn more"
link, we find
the following:<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<h2 style="background:white"><span style="font-size:17.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333">Model
Aircraft
Operations
Limits</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></h2>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;
background:white;
text-align:start;
word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333">According
to the FAA
Modernization
and Reform Act
of 2012 as (1)
the aircraft
is flown
strictly for
hobby or
recreational
use; (2) the
aircraft is
operated in
accordance
with a
community-based
set of safety
guidelines and
within the
programming of
a nationwide
community-based
organization;
(3) the
aircraft is
limited to not
more than 55
pounds unless
otherwise
certified
through a
design,
construction,
inspection,
flight test,
and
operational
safety program
administered
by a
community-based
organization;
(4) the
aircraft is
operated in a
manner that
does not
interfere with
and gives way
to any manned
aircraft; (5)
when flown
within 5 miles
of an airport,
the operator
of the
aircraft
provides the
airport
operator and
the airport
air traffic
control
tower…with
prior notice
of the
operation; and
(6) the
aircraft is
flown within
visual line
sight of the
operator.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<ul>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#333333;
line-height:15.75pt;
background:white">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=More%20information%20about%20safety%20and%20training%20guidelines&pgLnk=http://www.modelaircraft.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA; text-decoration:none">More
information
about safety
and training
guidelines</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
<li class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#333333;
line-height:15.75pt;
background:white">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=Visit%20knowbeforeyoufly.org&pgLnk=http://www.knowbeforeyoufly.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA; text-decoration:none">Visit
knowbeforeyoufly.org</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;
background:white;
text-align:start;
word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#333333"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;
background:white;
text-align:start;
word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">This
implies that
the 400 foot
barrier is not
a limit for
model aircraft
and also
refers you
back to the
AMA FAQs
above. Since
the "learn
more" link
eventually
refers you
back to the
AMA position
on 400 feet
under the
"more info
about safety"
link, it very
fuzzily
appears to be
supporting the
position that
we can still
fly pattern
without lying
to the FAA
even though we
appear to be
agreeing to
such a limit
in the
"Acknowledgement".</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;
background:white;
text-align:start;
word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">Guess
I'll register.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
1/15/2016 3:56
PM,
Patternpilot
One via
NSRCA-discussion
wrote:</span></p>
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</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Here is
what I got
from Mark
Radcliff just
after
midnight
Monday
morning.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">He was at
the Expo. It
has been
posted all
over Facebook.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/">http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/</a>
</span></p>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sa.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#575757">Sent
from my
Verizon
Wireless 4G
LTE smartphone</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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Model Aircraft
Skypark</span></p>
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Vice
President,
Academy of
Model
Aeronautics
District X</span></p>
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National
Society of
Radio Control
Aerobatics
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Director,
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Flight
Training</span></p>
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<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Santa
Clara County
Model Aircraft
Skypark</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Associate
Vice
President,
Academy of
Model
Aeronautics
District X</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Treasurer,
National
Society of
Radio Control
Aerobatics
(NSRCA)</span></p>
</div>
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