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The only time there will be a problem is with full-scale incidents.
You then have a pilot saying he was at 600 feet and this "drone"
shot past him vertically and it looked like the "drone" was trying
to hit him. Then the only issue is who was flying the model. That is
relatively simple at an AMA field given a description of the model.<br>
<br>
A few incidents like that and we will have a hard 400 foot limit (or
lower).<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2016 3:25 AM, Larry Diamond via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
400’ foot discussion has been interesting to follow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Think
about how they would enforce this if it were regulation and
you were at a flying site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
they show up to the flying site, they would be conspicuous
with equipment trying to document the fact you are above
400’. They must have physical evidence for it to stand up in
court if the citation is issued. You simply bring your plan
down to 400’ or don’t fly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
they were off site, it is no different than issuing speeding
tickets. They must have evidence the plane they document
belongs to you and they must be able to demonstrate a
violation occurred and the history to show it is you without
question. This will not be enforceable if they can’t testify
you were physically flying the drone over 400’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2
lfo3"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Example:
An enforcement officer locks there radar on you for
speeding. The officer is charged with the responsibility of
maintaining a visual on you (history) or have video to show
your vehicle was the one speeding. If it is only a video
correlation, they must be able to demonstrate (testify) it
was you driving and not somebody else, typically pulling you
over within a couple of minutes. If this can’t be
demonstrated (testified) to the level of beyond reasonable
doubt, the charge/citation will not stick and it will be
dismissed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Were
the 400’ policy does get enforced with certainty will be a
post mortem event. i.e. midair collision… Outside of this
type of event, it will be very difficult to police and
enforce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It
is one thing to have a policy out there. It is much
different when the policy is executed and then tested in the
court system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Over
simplified but the point is clear for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
my favorite comedian always says, “It is only my opinion, I
could be wrong”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 9:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><vogel.peter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Pavlick <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net"><jpavlick26@att.net></a>;
General pattern discussion
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS
Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government
Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hear you but every time the 400' thing
comes up again it's in the wrong direction and the
reassurances carry no weight whatsoever in light of what has
been published for us to observe to date. The distinctions
will be costly for any one individual to make if unlucky to
find oneself in a process. While our risk may be low flying
at our club fields, times have definitely changed...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ERAU UAS course is also a real
eye-opener in many respects. I think it is still open if
anyone is interested. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Peter Vogel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">6.e uses the word "should", not
"must" and that's a very important legal distinction,
making that a guideline, not a requirement. Further, as
they said on Sunday, they are aware they got that wrong
and are working with the AMA to fix it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter+<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:10 PM,
Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">6.e is a real eye-opener, and
a lot less ambiguous than 91-57 was in its
original form. Will be interesting to see what
AMA gas to say about it. Thanks for the link!<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Mking via
NSRCA-discussion <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone from the
AMA commented on the new FAA Advisory
Circular 91-57A Change 1?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-57A_Ch_1.pdf</a></a><br>
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Marty King<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A&P/IA<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">King Aero
Aviation, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Office:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">56632 Boss
Blvd<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Elkhart,
Indiana 46516<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kingaeroaviation.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.kingaeroaviation.com">www.kingaeroaviation.com</a></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:32 PM, John
Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And
to that end I PROMISE not to shoot
anyone unless they actually break
into my house. Now is it OK if I
buy some 30 round mag’s for my
AR-15? LOL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">John
Pavlick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cell:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:203-417-4971"
target="_blank">203-417-4971</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Integrated
Development Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
NSRCA-discussion [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt
via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January
15, 2016 7:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dave Lockhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b> General pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update -
UAS Registration Frequently
Asked Questions | AMA
Government Relations Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
Dave, did you like your doctor?
The promise was "if you like your
doctor, you can keep your doctor".<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Dave
Lockhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
have lots of video promising I
can keep my doctor……</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt
0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
NSRCA-discussion [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed
Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday,
January 15, 2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a></a>>;
John Gayer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a></a>>;
NSRCA List <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update
- UAS Registration
Frequently Asked Questions
| AMA Government Relations
Blog</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Anyone get that on
video? It's just hearsay
until they put it into their
regulations. Meanwhile,
we're signing up to a
promise not to exceed 400'.
It would be nice to have
that video for the trial.
lol</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<hr align="center"
size="2" width="100%"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Date: Fri, 15 Jan
2016 15:39:07 -0800<br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a></a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Update
- UAS Registration
Frequently Asked Questions
| AMA Government Relations
Blog<br>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yep. This was
brought up directly with
the FAA guy at the AMA
Expo, he indicated that
they got the 400' thing
wrong and will be
working to clarify their
guidance. The guidance
on the web site right
now is for people not
flying under an approved
set of rules from a
community based
organization like the
AMA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Peter+</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016
at 3:32 PM, John Gayer
via NSRCA-discussion
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is what the AMA
says about the 400
foot barrier on
the FAQs page:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#333333;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Q:
Am I permitted
to fly above 400
feet? What if I
had to check a
box saying
otherwise on the
federal
registration
website?</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:inherit;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">A:
Yes. AMA members
who abide by the
AMA Safety Code,
which permits
flights above 400
feet under
appropriate
circumstances, and
are protected by
the Special Rule
for Model Aircraft
under the 2012 FAA
Modernization and
Reform Act.
Checking the box
on the federal
registration
webpage signifies
an understanding
of the 400 foot
guideline. This is
an important
safety principle
that all UAS
operators need to
be aware of, and
is the same
guideline
established in AC
91-57 published in
1981. However, the
placement of this
guideline on the
FAA website is
intended as an
educational piece
and more
specifically
intended for those
operating outside
of AMA’s safey
program. We have
been in
discussions with
the FAA about this
point and the
agency has
indicted that it
will be updating
its website in the
next week to make
clear that this
altitude guideline
is not intended to
supplant the
guidance and
safety procedures
established in
AMA’s safety
program.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Sounds clear,
right? No 400 foot
barrier need
apply.<br>
However, the
following is what
you have to "read,
understand and
follow", according
to the FAA.<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h1
style="text-align:center;background:whitesmoke"
align="center"><span
style="font-size:21.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#006DB5;font-weight:normal">Acknowledgement of Safety
Guidance</span><o:p></o:p></h1>
<ul type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will fly below
400 feet</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will fly within
visual line of
sight</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will be aware of
FAA airspace
requirements: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#006DB5;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</a></span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will not fly
directly over
people</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will not fly
over stadiums
and sports
events</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will not fly
near emergency
response efforts
such as fires</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will not fly
near aircraft,
especially near
airports</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#141414;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
will not fly
under the
influence</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<div
style="border:none;border-bottom:solid
#EEEEEE
1.0pt;padding:0in
0in 15.0pt 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/"
target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#006DB5;text-decoration:none">Learn
More</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:15.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[ ] I
have read,
understand and
intend to
follow the
safety
guidance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Under the "learn
more" link, we
find the
following:<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<h2
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:17.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Model
Aircraft
Operations Limits</span><o:p></o:p></h2>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">According
to the FAA
Modernization and
Reform Act of 2012
as (1) the
aircraft is flown
strictly for hobby
or recreational
use; (2) the
aircraft is
operated in
accordance with a
community-based
set of safety
guidelines and
within the
programming of a
nationwide
community-based
organization; (3)
the aircraft is
limited to not
more than 55
pounds unless
otherwise
certified through
a design,
construction,
inspection, flight
test, and
operational safety
program
administered by a
community-based
organization; (4)
the aircraft is
operated in a
manner that does
not interfere with
and gives way to
any manned
aircraft; (5) when
flown within 5
miles of an
airport, the
operator of the
aircraft provides
the airport
operator and the
airport air
traffic control
tower…with prior
notice of the
operation; and (6)
the aircraft is
flown within
visual line sight
of the operator.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l0
level1
lfo2;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=More%20information%20about%20safety%20and%20training%20guidelines&pgLnk=http://www.modelaircraft.org/"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">More
information
about safety
and training
guidelines</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li
class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l0
level1
lfo2;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=Visit%20knowbeforeyoufly.org&pgLnk=http://www.knowbeforeyoufly.org/"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">Visit
knowbeforeyoufly.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">This
implies that the
400 foot barrier
is not a limit for
model aircraft and
also refers you
back to the AMA
FAQs above. Since
the "learn more"
link eventually
refers you back to
the AMA position
on 400 feet under
the "more info
about safety"
link, it very
fuzzily appears to
be supporting the
position that we
can still fly
pattern without
lying to the FAA
even though we
appear to be
agreeing to such a
limit in the
"Acknowledgement".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">Guess
I'll register.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
1/15/2016 3:56
PM,
Patternpilot
One via
NSRCA-discussion
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here
is what I got
from Mark
Radcliff just
after
midnight
Monday
morning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">He
was at the
Expo. It has
been posted
all over
Facebook.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/">http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/</a></a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sa.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#575757">Sent
from my
Verizon
Wireless 4G
LTE smartphone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a><br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<br clear="all">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Director,
Fixed Wing
Flight
Training</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Santa
Clara County
Model Aircraft
Skypark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Associate
Vice
President,
Academy of
Model
Aeronautics
District X</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Treasurer,
National
Society of
Radio Control
Aerobatics
(NSRCA)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:solid
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"><image001.jpg><image002.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing
list <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear="all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Director, Fixed Wing Flight
Training<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Santa Clara County Model
Aircraft Skypark<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Associate Vice President,
Academy of Model Aeronautics District X<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Treasurer, National Society
of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img moz-do-not-send="true"
id="_x0000_i1026"
src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6513778381_5569cc985d_m.jpg"
border="0" height="154" width="200"><img
moz-do-not-send="true" id="_x0000_i1027"
src="https://googledrive.com/host/0B4LOPeyGAgOJUVJmU1dJMVl6WWc/AcademyModelAeronauticsLogo.png"
border="0" height="136" width="200"><o:p></o:p></p>
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NSRCA-discussion mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></pre>
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