<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>But Dave, did you like your doctor? The promise was "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".</div><div><br>On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have lots of video promising I can keep my doctor……<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 6:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>; John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>>; NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Anyone get that on video? It's just hearsay until they put it into their regulations. Meanwhile, we're signing up to a promise not to exceed 400'. It would be nice to have that video for the trial. lol<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="stopSpelling"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:39:07 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Update - UAS Registration Frequently Asked Questions | AMA Government Relations Blog<br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yep. This was brought up directly with the FAA guy at the AMA Expo, he indicated that they got the 400' thing wrong and will be working to clarify their guidance. The guidance on the web site right now is for people not flying under an approved set of rules from a community based organization like the AMA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is what the AMA says about the 400 foot barrier on the FAQs page:<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Q: Am I permitted to fly above 400 feet? What if I had to check a box saying otherwise on the federal registration website?</span></strong><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:16.5pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:inherit;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">A: Yes. AMA members who abide by the AMA Safety Code, which permits flights above 400 feet under appropriate circumstances, and are protected by the Special Rule for Model Aircraft under the 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act. Checking the box on the federal registration webpage signifies an understanding of the 400 foot guideline. This is an important safety principle that all UAS operators need to be aware of, and is the same guideline established in AC 91-57 published in 1981. However, the placement of this guideline on the FAA website is intended as an educational piece and more specifically intended for those operating outside of AMA’s safey program. We have been in discussions with the FAA about this point and the agency has indicted that it will be updating its website in the next week to make clear that this altitude guideline is not intended to supplant the guidance and safety procedures established in AMA’s safety program.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>Sounds clear, right? No 400 foot barrier need apply.<br>However, the following is what you have to "read, understand and follow", according to the FAA.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><h1 align="center" style="text-align:center;background:whitesmoke"><span style="font-size:21.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#006DB5;font-weight:normal">Acknowledgement of Safety Guidance<o:p></o:p></span></h1><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will fly below 400 feet<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will fly within visual line of sight<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will be aware of FAA airspace requirements: <a href="http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#006DB5;text-decoration:none">www.faa.gov/go/uastfr</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will not fly directly over people<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will not fly over stadiums and sports events<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will not fly near emergency response efforts such as fires<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will not fly near aircraft, especially near airports<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#141414;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I will not fly under the influence<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid #EEEEEE 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 15.0pt 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#006DB5;text-decoration:none">Learn More</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:15.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[ ] I have read, understand and intend to follow the safety guidance.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>Under the "learn more" link, we find the following:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><h2 style="background:white"><span style="font-size:17.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Model Aircraft Operations Limits<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">According to the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 as (1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use; (2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; (3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization; (4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower…with prior notice of the operation; and (6) the aircraft is flown within visual line sight of the operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=More%20information%20about%20safety%20and%20training%20guidelines&pgLnk=http://www.modelaircraft.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">More information about safety and training guidelines</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:15.75pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/exit/?pageName=Visit%20knowbeforeyoufly.org&pgLnk=http://www.knowbeforeyoufly.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#2353BA;text-decoration:none">Visit knowbeforeyoufly.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">This implies that the 400 foot barrier is not a limit for model aircraft and also refers you back to the AMA FAQs above. Since the "learn more" link eventually refers you back to the AMA position on 400 feet under the "more info about safety" link, it very fuzzily appears to be supporting the position that we can still fly pattern without lying to the FAA even though we appear to be agreeing to such a limit in the "Acknowledgement".</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:15.75pt;background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF">Guess I'll register.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 1/15/2016 3:56 PM, Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here is what I got from Mark Radcliff just after midnight Monday morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">He was at the Expo. It has been posted all over Facebook.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/" target="_blank">http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2016/01/11/update-uas-registration-frequently-asked-questions/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sa.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><image001.jpg><image002.jpg></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>